0 HEAD
1 SOUR Legacy
2 VERS 6.0
2 NAME Legacy (R)
2 CORP Millennia Corp.
3 ADDR PO Box 9410
4 CONT Surprise, AZ 85374
1 DEST Gedcom55
1 DATE 4 Sep 2007
1 SUBM @S0@
1 FILE C:\Data\family-tree\gedcom-files\lovelock\hants-to-hereford-san-070904.ged
1 GEDC
2 VERS 5.5
2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED
1 CHAR ANSI
0 @S0@ SUBM
1 NAME Robin Lovelock
0 @I1@ INDI
1 NAME Frederick /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Frederick
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1853
2 PLAC Winnall, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 3Q 1853 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 77
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S18@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 NOTE @BI1@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S9@
2 PAGE email correspondence 30-Nov-05
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S4@
2 PAGE email message 30-Nov-05
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE In particular, 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1871
2 PLAC Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Stoke Damerel, Devon
3 CONT Raglan Barracks
3 CONT RG10 2129  F86  P17
3 CONT 
3 CONT Includes:
3 CONT Frederick Lovelock;U;17;Private Soldier, 2/2 Queens;Hants
3 CONC , Wimell [sic]
3 CONT 
3 CONT [also Edward Lovelock;U;16;Private Soldier, 1/2 Queens;Irel
3 CONC and]
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 27/6/07: Re. 'Wimell', see general note.
2 SOUR @S9@
3 PAGE email correspondence 30-Nov-05
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S18@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchang
4 CONC e 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Aldershot, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Aldershot, Hampshire
3 CONT Institution:"Army Hospital Corps Depot"
3 CONT RG11 785  F62  P11
3 CONT 
3 CONT Includes:
3 CONT Frederick Lovelock;Soldier;M;27;Second Corporal Army Hospit
3 CONC al Corps;Hants, Weemill [LDS transcription - previously inc
3 CONC luded here - has 'Wesmill']
3 CONT <b>
3 CONT </b>
3 CONT RL 27/6/07:
3 CONT His family appear separately (not at Army Depot) - see 188
3 CONC 1 family entry.
3 CONT Re. 'Wesmill'/'Weemill'/Winnall, see general note.
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchang
4 CONC e 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007.
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 21:00
1 FAMS @F1@
1 FAMC @F7@
1 NOTE @NI1@
0 @NI1@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT [<i>RL 21/6/07: 'Fragment 6' shows the following for Freder
1 CONC ick: b:abt 1850, Wesmill, Hampshire, England. Naval Office
1 CONC r (corporal) at Aldershot</i>]
1 CONT 
1 CONT Nigel Gerdes
1 CONT - e-mail 29 Nov 05:
1 CONT "Frederick who is at the head of the Hampshire Wesmill tre
1 CONC e has a lot of overlap with the Frederick b 3Q 1853 Winches
1 CONC ter RD in the new data. Christian name of wife, children na
1 CONC mes and dates .... abroad .... perhaps one and the same per
1 CONC son."
1 CONT - e-mail 30-Nov-05:
1 CONT "I cannot find Wesmill in Hampshire should it be Westmill o
1 CONC r Westhill?"
1 CONT 
1 CONT Graham Lovelock
1 CONT -e-mail 30-Nov-05:
1 CONT "I agree that the 1871 entry for Frederick does read as Wim
1 CONC ell, but I am personally now in no doubt that WINNALL is wh
1 CONC at is intended."
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 9/3/07 (effectively expanding the above):
1 CONT Exchange with Graham 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007:
1 CONT G: "...... the matter of 'Wesmill'. The 1871 entry looks ve
1 CONC ry much to me like 'Wimell', just as Ancestry has transcrib
1 CONC ed it. But the 1881 entry is definitely NOT 'Wesmill', as t
1 CONC he letter that would be an 's' is not formed like other exa
1 CONC mples on the page. To me it is clearly 'Weemill'. I believ
1 CONC e the place in question must be Winall, as there's no othe
1 CONC r place in Hants that I know of that would fit the bill."
1 CONT R: [Viewed 1871 image (S&N) and agree 'Wimell'; can't vie
1 CONC w the 1881 image.] "I agree ... it's most likely "Winnall
1 CONC " - which is spelt thus I believe; not too far-fetched a mi
1 CONC s-hearing on the Enumerator's part in 1871 and 1881. It's r
1 CONC ight on the edge of Winchester itself as you probably know
1 CONC . Genuki says it's 'three quarters of a mile N.E. of Winche
1 CONC ster .... [and] .... partly comprised within the borough ..
1 CONC .....' The latter point may or may not explain why little F
1 CONC rederick is stated as born 'Winchester' in 1851 (Hyde St) a
1 CONC nd 1861 (11 Cheesehill St). Why he should say later he wa
1 CONC s born in Winnall if he wasn't, who knows? Perhaps he WAS
1 CONC ! The family moved around quite a bit, albeit 'locally'. Ce
1 CONC rtainly hard to believe "Winnall" could come across as "Win
1 CONC chester"!"
0 @BI1@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 3/7/07: See general note.
0 @I2@ INDI
1 NAME Mary Ann /Fineck/
2 GIVN Mary Ann
2 SURN Fineck
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1854-1855
2 PLAC Malta
2 SOUR @S4@
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3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S23@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 NOTE @BI2@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S4@
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2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S23@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 3E37BEB5295147E3887AF167D8B2D35A9D8B
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F1@
0 @BI2@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT Fragment 6 of Collected Lovelock Fragments has Mary Ann bor
1 CONC n Gibralter [sic]
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 17/6/07: Ages stated in series of census entries consist
1 CONC ent so can probably be confident of birth-year range as sho
1 CONC wn - i.e. no need for "about".
0 @I3@ INDI
1 NAME John Alfred G S /Lovelock/
2 GIVN John Alfred G S
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1878-1879
2 PLAC Malta
2 SOUR @S4@
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3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S23@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparentl
4 CONC y being enumerated as 'Ann; Daur' in 1881.
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S21@
2 NOTE @BI3@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 PAGE descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparentl
3 CONC y being enumerated as 'Ann'; 'Daur' in 1881 (see notes to 1
3 CONC 881 and 1891 census extracts).
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Aldershot, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Note: Frederick Lovelock was not present, since he was at t
3 CONC he Army Hospital Corps Depot Aldershot (see individual entr
3 CONC y for Frederick Lovelock).
3 CONT 
3 CONT Aldershot, Hampshire
3 CONT North Lane Green Gr Shop
3 CONT RG11 782  F101  P21
3 CONT 
3 CONT Mary Ann Russell;Other (Head);W;70;Green Grocer;Wilts, Marl
3 CONC borough
3 CONT Mary Ann Lovelock;Other (Head);M;27;Soldiers wife;Gibraltar
3 CONT John Lovelock;Daur [sic];;2;;Malta
3 CONT Charles Lovelock;Son;;3m;;Hants, Aldershot
3 CONT Mary E Graham;Wife;M;18;Soldier wife;Ireland, …??...
3 CONT Sarah Page;Wife (Head);M;29;Soldier wife;Essex, Marlow
3 CONT Florance [sic] E Page;Daur;;1;Hants, Aldershot
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 27/6/07: The above is a <u>revised transcription, follow
3 CONC ing extensive discussion</u> with Graham 20/25 Feb 2007 o
3 CONC f aspects of the image and LDS/Ancestry transcriptions.
3 CONT 
3 CONT (i) James's rendering in the 5/3/07 gedcom - also currentl
3 CONC y [22/6/07] appearing same data/slightly different layout
3 CONC ) in the Lovelock website collection of Hampshire 1881 Love
3 CONC lock entries - was as follows:
3 CONT 
3 CONT Dwelling:    North Lane Green Gr Shop
3 CONT    Census Place:    Aldershot, Hampshire, England
3 CONT    Source:    FHL Film 1341184     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 07
3 CONC 82    Folio 101    Page 21
3 CONT    Marr    Age    Sex    Birthplace
3 CONT Mary Ann LOVELOCK    M    27    F     Gibraltar
3 CONT    Rel:    Other (Head)
3 CONT    Occ:    Soldiers Wife
3 CONT Ann LOVELOCK                    2     F     ...
3 CONT    Rel:    Daur
3 CONT Charles LOVELOCK              3 m  M    Aldershot, Hampshir
3 CONC e, England
3 CONT    Rel:    Son
3 CONT Mary H. GRAHAM         M    18     F     ..., Ireland
3 CONT    Rel:    Wife
3 CONT    Occ:    Soldier Wife
3 CONT 
3 CONT (ii) Graham's previous transcription in the collection comp
3 CONC iled to support this tree:
3 CONT 
3 CONT North Lane Green Gr Shop, Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT RG11 782 F101 P21
3 CONT Mary Ann Russell W (sic) 70 Green Grocer Marlborough, Wilts
3 CONT Mary Ann Lovelock Head 27 Soldiers wife Gibraltar
3 CONT John Lovelock Daur(sic) 2 Malta
3 CONT Charles Lovelock Son 3m Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT Mary E Graham Wife 18 Soldiers wife Ireland …..(?)
3 CONT Sarah Page Wife 29 Soldiers wife Marlow, Essex
3 CONT Florance E Page Daur 1 Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT 
3 CONT (iii) Additional material extracted by RL from the LDS CD-R
3 CONC OM, where 3 'separate' 'households'(?) are shown, each wit
3 CONC h the same address and other reference details cited:
3 CONT 
3 CONT [preceding the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham]
3 CONT Mary Ann RUSSELL      W    70    F     Marlborough, Wiltshi
3 CONC re, England
3 CONT    Rel: Other (Head)
3 CONT    Occ: Green Grocer
3 CONT 
3 CONT ....... 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham as per James's transcri
3 CONC ption above ........
3 CONT 
3 CONT [following the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham]
3 CONT Sarah PAGE                 M    29    F     Marlow, Essex
3 CONC , England
3 CONT    Rel: Wife (Head)
3 CONT    Occ: Soldier Wife
3 CONT Florence E. PAGE                1     F      Aldershot, Ham
3 CONC pshire, England
3 CONT    Rel: Daur
3 CONT 
3 CONT <u>Discussion</u>:
3 CONT G 20/2: "<b>The 2 year old child may well have been Ann, an
3 CONC d is certainly indicated as 'Daur'. However, I am adamant t
3 CONC hat the Enumerator has written 'John' as the name.</b> Ther
3 CONC e are, of course, two examples of 'Ann' written immediatel
3 CONC y above it, and whilst they are identical in form to each o
3 CONC ther (one being slightly smaller) they are nothing like th
3 CONC e child's name. I have included the details of everyone wh
3 CONC o was living in the Greengrocer's shop, as indicated by 'do
3 CONC ' entries in the address column, whilst diagonal strokes fr
3 CONC om the Enumerator to the left of the names indicate member
3 CONC s of 4 'families' as you would expect from the surnames. Th
3 CONC e last child recorded might have had the name Florence, bu
3 CONC t the Enumerator has written it as Florance. HOWEVER, a fur
3 CONC ther lengthy pondering over the script does lead to one cha
3 CONC nge. The Enumerator has not recorded anybody as being the H
3 CONC ead of the household. What I and the LDS transcribers too
3 CONC k to be 'Head' against Mary Ann Lovelock is actually 'Mar'
3 CONC , although in that column has been added a 'W' to both Mar
3 CONC y Ann entries. In the 'Relation to Head of Family' column t
3 CONC here is against both Mary Anns a letter which might be a 'U
3 CONC ' a 'W' or an 'M'. Since Mary Ann Lovelock, who's the onl
3 CONC y adult here we're really interested in, is clearly liste
3 CONC d as a Soldier's Wife the two W's, or even the one if the o
3 CONC ther is an M, make no sense at all."
3 CONT 
3 CONT R 21/2: "(i) <b>Re. John/Ann, Daur etc: the 1901 Sholing en
3 CONC try would suggest that 'Daur' rather than 'John' is the mor
3 CONC e likely error in the 1881 would it not?</b> (I mean that t
3 CONC o be a judgement on balance with regard to other data we ha
3 CONC ve, rather than simply a 'preferential' reading of one entr
3 CONC y vs another!) Ages given seem to fit rather well as betwee
3 CONC n the two years - or am I missing something? I note Malta/G
3 CONC ibraltar variation re. Mary Ann's birthplace and that the H
3 CONC -to-H tree 'as is' has the latter. ...........
3 CONT (ii) James ...... seems: (a) to've taken the LDS transcript
3 CONC ion pretty much at face value - especially as regards 3 rat
3 CONC her than 4 households/families, although that could be a sl
3 CONC ip on the transcriber's part given your observation re. th
3 CONC e 'diagonal strokes'; (b) only to've included the Loveloc
3 CONC k household (taken, rightly or wrongly, to include Mary E (
3 CONC or H!) Graham). (<b>Malta as Ann/John's birthplace is als
3 CONC o missing from the LDS version.</b>)
3 CONT (iii) I think the Enumerator may've been trying to make sen
3 CONC se of a complicated multi-family/multi-'household' (as defi
3 CONC ned for enumeration purposes) set-up, and to render sensibl
3 CONC y and at the same time marital status, <i>de facto</i> Hof
3 CONC H status (with absentee soldier husbands/fathers), and 'rea
3 CONC l' HofH (i.e. Head of Family as and when present) status. I
3 CONC n that context and with other possible 'issues' involved, s
3 CONC /he understandably perhaps used 'W' for Wife in places as w
3 CONC ell as (maybe) for Widow - which (lacking other data that I
3 CONC 'm aware of) Mary Ann Russell and even Mary E (or H) Graha
3 CONC m could have been."
3 CONT <i>{This interpretation implicitly/broadly agreed by GL.}
3 CONT </i>
3 CONT R 23/2: "...... could you kindly recheck the image you hav
3 CONC e access to re. 'Mary E'/'Mary H' ........"
3 CONT G 23/2: "As it happens there are three other capital aitche
3 CONC s on the page, which are differently formed from the lette
3 CONC r in Mary Graham's name. There are also seven capital eee
3 CONC s which are similar to, but different to that mysterious le
3 CONC tter. However, there are more similarities in the letter t
3 CONC o one of the eees, in the form of two loops, that this poss
3 CONC ibly over-rides the existence of a third loop, and an addit
3 CONC ional vertical stroke to the left which is what led me to t
3 CONC hink it was an aitch. Suggest in summary that we go with a
3 CONC n eeee."
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchang
4 CONC e 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see no
4 CONC te.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1891
2 PLAC Hound, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT RL 28/6/07:
3 CONT Added the following entry here as confirmation because of d
3 CONC iscussion (qv) of 1881 entry (John/Ann/Daur etc.) - see not
3 CONC e in parents' data re. the 1881.
3 CONT 
3 CONT Hound, Hampshire
3 CONT 19 School Road
3 CONT RG12 923  F79  P21
3 CONT 
3 CONT Frederick Lovelock;Head;M;37;Coal Porter;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Mary Ann Lovelock;Wife;M;36;Shirt Maker;Malta
3 CONT John A G S Lovelock;Son;Scholar;12;;Malta
3 CONT Charles Lovelock;Son;;9;Scholar;Hants, Aldershot
3 CONT Mary Ann E Lovelock;Daur;;3m;;Hants, Sholing
3 CONT 
3 CONT See email discussion with Graham concerning Hound/Sholing/S
3 CONC outhampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. which is the mo
3 CONC st appropriate census place/parish to cite; relevant to thi
3 CONC s entry and to the 1901 for John (by then married) and hi
3 CONC s family, as well as to the 1901 for his parents Frederic
3 CONC k and Mary Ann. Agreed transcription above.
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S4@
3 PAGE email message 12-Feb-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.
2 SOUR @S9@
3 PAGE email correspondence 30-Nov-05
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extrac
4 CONC t including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
4 CONT See email exchange 9/13 March 2007.
2 SOUR @S3@
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F2@
1 FAMC @F1@
1 NOTE @NI3@
0 @NI3@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 28/6/07: Apparently enumerated as 'Ann'; 'Daur' in 1881
1 CONC ; see notes to 1881 and 1891 census extracts.
0 @BI3@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT Fragment 6, Early Collected Lovelock Fragments, has John bo
1 CONC rn Aldershot 1878.
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 17/6/06: The series of census entries we have state hi
1 CONC s place of birth as Malta and no putative GRO entry can b
1 CONC e found (using BMDIndex) 1876/80 - except the unlikely Joh
1 CONC n L births registered in Pancras RD 3Q 1876, ref 1b 99, an
1 CONC d Edmonton RD 3Q 1879, ref 3a 245. Age cited in 1901 is dis
1 CONC crepant.
1 CONT 
1 CONT See also extensive notes to 1881 census entry.
0 @I4@ INDI
1 NAME Charles William /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Charles William
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1880-1881
2 PLAC Aldershot, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S4@
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3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in 1Q 1881 in Farnham RD, ref 2a 106
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE Located RL c. 28/2/07. 
4 CONT Added 13/3 after James agreed - and we didn't have the seco
4 CONC nd forename previously.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Charles William Lovelock
2 SOUR @S19@
1 DEAT
2 DATE 1970
2 PLAC Dunedin, New Zealand
2 SOUR @S7@
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1970      LOVELOCK      Charles William      424      Deat
5 CONC h      [age] 89  Dunedin
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1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Aldershot, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Note: Frederick Lovelock was not present, since he was at t
3 CONC he Army Hospital Corps Depot Aldershot (see individual entr
3 CONC y for Frederick Lovelock).
3 CONT 
3 CONT Aldershot, Hampshire
3 CONT North Lane Green Gr Shop
3 CONT RG11 782  F101  P21
3 CONT 
3 CONT Mary Ann Russell;Other (Head);W;70;Green Grocer;Wilts, Marl
3 CONC borough
3 CONT Mary Ann Lovelock;Other (Head);M;27;Soldiers wife;Gibraltar
3 CONT John Lovelock;Daur [sic];;2;;Malta
3 CONT Charles Lovelock;Son;;3m;;Hants, Aldershot
3 CONT Mary E Graham;Wife;M;18;Soldier wife;Ireland, …??...
3 CONT Sarah Page;Wife (Head);M;29;Soldier wife;Essex, Marlow
3 CONT Florance [sic] E Page;Daur;;1;Hants, Aldershot
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 27/6/06: The above is a <u>revised transcription, follow
3 CONC ing extensive discussion</u> with Graham 20/25 Feb 2007 o
3 CONC f aspects of the image and LDS/Ancestry transcriptions.
3 CONT 
3 CONT (i) James's rendering in the 5/3/07 gedcom - also currentl
3 CONC y [22/6/07] appearing (same data/slightly different layout
3 CONC ) in the Lovelock website collection of Hampshire 1881 Love
3 CONC lock entries - was as follows:
3 CONT 
3 CONT Dwelling:    North Lane Green Gr Shop
3 CONT    Census Place:    Aldershot, Hampshire, England
3 CONT    Source:    FHL Film 1341184     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 07
3 CONC 82    Folio 101    Page 21
3 CONT    Marr    Age    Sex    Birthplace
3 CONT Mary Ann LOVELOCK    M    27    F     Gibraltar
3 CONT    Rel:    Other (Head)
3 CONT    Occ:    Soldiers Wife
3 CONT Ann LOVELOCK                    2     F     ...
3 CONT    Rel:    Daur
3 CONT Charles LOVELOCK              3 m  M    Aldershot, Hampshir
3 CONC e, England
3 CONT    Rel:    Son
3 CONT Mary H. GRAHAM         M    18     F     ..., Ireland
3 CONT    Rel:    Wife
3 CONT    Occ:    Soldier Wife
3 CONT 
3 CONT (ii) Graham's previous transcription in the collection comp
3 CONC iled to support this tree:
3 CONT 
3 CONT North Lane Green Gr Shop, Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT RG11 782 F101 P21
3 CONT Mary Ann Russell W (sic) 70 Green Grocer Marlborough, Wilts
3 CONT Mary Ann Lovelock Head 27 Soldiers wife Gibraltar
3 CONT John Lovelock Daur(sic) 2 Malta
3 CONT Charles Lovelock Son 3m Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT Mary E Graham Wife 18 Soldiers wife Ireland …..(?)
3 CONT Sarah Page Wife 29 Soldiers wife Marlow, Essex
3 CONT Florance E Page Daur 1 Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT 
3 CONT (iii) Additional material extracted by RL from the LDS CD-R
3 CONC OM, where 3 'separate' 'households'(?) are shown, each wit
3 CONC h the same address and other reference details cited:
3 CONT 
3 CONT [preceding the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham]
3 CONT Mary Ann RUSSELL      W    70    F     Marlborough, Wiltshi
3 CONC re, England
3 CONT    Rel: Other (Head)
3 CONT    Occ: Green Grocer
3 CONT 
3 CONT ....... 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham as per James's transcri
3 CONC ption above ........
3 CONT 
3 CONT [following the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham]
3 CONT Sarah PAGE                 M    29    F     Marlow, Essex
3 CONC , England
3 CONT    Rel: Wife (Head)
3 CONT    Occ: Soldier Wife
3 CONT Florence E. PAGE                1     F      Aldershot, Ham
3 CONC pshire, England
3 CONT    Rel: Daur
3 CONT 
3 CONT <u>Discussion</u>:
3 CONT G 20/2: "The 2 year old child may well have been Ann, and i
3 CONC s certainly indicated as 'Daur'. However, I am adamant tha
3 CONC t the Enumerator has written 'John' as the name. There are
3 CONC , of course, two examples of 'Ann' written immediately abov
3 CONC e it, and whilst they are identical in form to each other (
3 CONC one being slightly smaller) they are nothing like the child
3 CONC 's name. I have included the details of everyone who was li
3 CONC ving in the Greengrocer's shop, as indicated by 'do' entrie
3 CONC s in the address column, whilst diagonal strokes from the E
3 CONC numerator to the left of the names indicate members of 4 'f
3 CONC amilies' as you would expect from the surnames. The last ch
3 CONC ild recorded might have had the name Florence, but the Enum
3 CONC erator has written it as Florance. HOWEVER, a further lengt
3 CONC hy pondering over the script does lead to one change. The E
3 CONC numerator has not recorded anybody as being the Head of th
3 CONC e household. What I and the LDS transcribers took to be 'He
3 CONC ad' against Mary Ann Lovelock is actually 'Mar', although i
3 CONC n that column has been added a 'W' to both Mary Ann entries
3 CONC . In the 'Relation to Head of Family' column there is again
3 CONC st both Mary Anns a letter which might be a 'U' a 'W' or a
3 CONC n 'M'. Since Mary Ann Lovelock, who's the only adult here w
3 CONC e're really interested in, is clearly listed as a Soldier'
3 CONC s Wife the two W's, or even the one if the other is an M, m
3 CONC ake no sense at all."
3 CONT 
3 CONT R 21/2: "(i) Re. John/Ann, Daur etc: the 1901 Sholing entr
3 CONC y would suggest that 'Daur' rather than 'John' is the mor
3 CONC e likely error in the 1881 would it not? (I mean that to b
3 CONC e a judgement on balance with regard to other data we have
3 CONC , rather than simply a 'preferential' reading of one entr
3 CONC y vs another!) Ages given seem to fit rather well as betwee
3 CONC n the two years - or am I missing something? I note Malta/G
3 CONC ibraltar variation re. Mary Ann's birthplace and that the H
3 CONC -to-H tree 'as is' has the latter. ...........
3 CONT (ii) James ...... seems: (a) to've taken the LDS transcript
3 CONC ion pretty much at face value - especially as regards 3 rat
3 CONC her than 4 households/families, although that could be a sl
3 CONC ip on the transcriber's part given your observation re. th
3 CONC e 'diagonal strokes'; (b) only to've included the Loveloc
3 CONC k household (taken, rightly or wrongly, to include Mary E (
3 CONC or H!) Graham). (Malta as Ann/John's birthplace is also mis
3 CONC sing from the LDS version.)
3 CONT (iii) I think the Enumerator may've been trying to make sen
3 CONC se of a complicated multi-family/multi-'household' (as defi
3 CONC ned for enumeration purposes) set-up, and to render sensibl
3 CONC y and at the same time marital status, <i>de facto</i> Hof
3 CONC H status (with absentee soldier husbands/fathers), and 'rea
3 CONC l' HofH (i.e. Head of Family as and when present) status. I
3 CONC n that context and with other possible 'issues' involved, s
3 CONC /he understandably perhaps used 'W' for Wife in places as w
3 CONC ell as (maybe) for Widow - which (lacking other data that I
3 CONC 'm aware of) Mary Ann Russell and even Mary E (or H) Graha
3 CONC m could have been."
3 CONT <i>{This interpretation implicitly/broadly agreed by GL.}
3 CONT </i>
3 CONT R 23/2: "...... could you kindly recheck the image you hav
3 CONC e access to re. 'Mary E'/'Mary H' ........"
3 CONT G 23/2: "As it happens there are three other capital aitche
3 CONC s on the page, which are differently formed from the lette
3 CONC r in Mary Graham's name. There are also seven capital eee
3 CONC s which are similar to, but different to that mysterious le
3 CONC tter. However, there are more similarities in the letter t
3 CONC o one of the eees, in the form of two loops, that this poss
3 CONC ibly over-rides the existence of a third loop, and an addit
3 CONC ional vertical stroke to the left which is what led me to t
3 CONC hink it was an aitch. Suggest in summary that we go with a
3 CONC n eeee."
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchang
4 CONC e 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see no
4 CONC te.
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F3@
1 FAMC @F1@
1 NOTE @NI4@
0 @NI4@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT 
1 CONT Waterside Worker, New Zealand
1 CONT [RL 21/6/07: The above was a note ref'ce Charles in 'Fragme
1 CONC nt 6']
0 @I5@ INDI
1 NAME Mary Amoi C.E. /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Mary Amoi C.E.
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Dec 1890-Jan 1891
2 PLAC Sholing, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S4@
3 PAGE descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 1Q 1891 in South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 44
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S21@
2 NOTE @BI5@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 PAGE descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007.
1 _UID 2775BC264244432F983AE51FC2B7393331EB
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F1@
1 NOTE @NI5@
0 @NI5@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 22/6/07:
1 CONT 21 Feb 07 email to Graham: "Why does the youngest child, bo
1 CONC rn 1891, appear as Mary Amoi C E Lovelock in the tree and M
1 CONC ary Ann E in the 1891?" - I acknowledged that I <i>had </i>
1 CONC viewed the image of the GRO birth entry via BMDIndex as wel
1 CONC l as the FreeBMD entry, and thus could "answer ... in part"
1 CONC : both have 1Q 1891 Lovelock, Mary Amoi C. E., S. Stoneham
1 CONC , ref 2c 44.
1 CONT 22/2/07 GL: "... my logic has been that Enumerators often r
1 CONC ecorded used names, such as Lizzie for Elizabeth and Fann
1 CONC y for Frances, but where we can determine the proper name f
1 CONC rom a birth registration, or very occasionally from a marri
1 CONC age entry, then I have used that. In similar vein, Enumerat
1 CONC ors often recorded Wm instead of William, and we'd certainl
1 CONC y not think anyone would ever name their child Wm!"
0 @BI5@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 17/6/07: 1Q registration, which James would normally sho
1 CONC w as "abt March", but age cited in 1891 (5 April) census en
1 CONC try is "3 months", suggesting born Dec1890/Jan1891.
0 @I6@ INDI
1 NAME Florence /Butler/
2 GIVN Florence
2 SURN Butler
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1875-1876
2 PLAC Hammersmith, London, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S21@
2 NOTE @BI6@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S9@
2 PAGE email message 1 Dec 05
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 1A09BF0FC40A4E04B66C0B4E79632627B516
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F2@
0 @BI6@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT Date and place of birth from 1901 census data
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 21/6/07: A combination of searches [GL and RL] on FreeBM
1 CONC D and BMDIndex has yielded only two (not very convincing) '
1 CONC possibles' (the RDs don't seem to 'work'):
1 CONT 1Q 1875  Butler, Florence - Islington, ref 1b 343
1 CONT 4Q 1875  Butler, Florence Anne - Brentford, ref 3a 75
1 CONT We have the marriage details in Fulham RD 4Q 1899, ref 1a 4
1 CONC 99, and the image confirms 'plain' Florence. There seems t
1 CONC o be no GRO marriage or death to 'explain away' 'Florence A
1 CONC nne', so in theory she remains a possibility; strictly age-
1 CONC wise she would almost certainly have been 25 at the date o
1 CONC f the 1901 census [taken 31 March], whereas Florence whos
1 CONC e birth was registered 1Q 1875 would have been 26. (Even i
1 CONC f anything <i>could</i> be made of this, John's age appear
1 CONC s to have been wrongly stated or entered in 1901.)
0 @I7@ INDI
1 NAME Richard John C.E. /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Richard John C.E.
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Feb-Mar 1901
2 PLAC South Stoneham RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 1Q 1901 in South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 60
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT LOVELOCK, Richard John C E
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S21@
2 NOTE @BI7@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S9@
2 PAGE email message 1 Dec 05
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 1CBAF9036302465CA857060ABA789933E6C9
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F2@
0 @BI7@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 17/6/07: 1Q registration, which James would normally sho
1 CONC w as "abt March", but age cited in 1901 (31 March) census e
1 CONC ntry ("1 month") suggests born Feb/March.
0 @I8@ INDI
1 NAME Elizabeth Catherine /Walker/
2 GIVN Elizabeth Catherine
2 SURN Walker
1 SEX F
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1950
2 PLAC Dunedin, New Zealand
2 SOUR @S7@
3 NOTE RL 16/6/06: above text taken from website entry rather tha
4 CONC n being put in 'usual' (GRO) format.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1950      LOVELOCK      Elizabeth Catherine  1025     Deat
5 CONC h    Dunedin   March [quarter]
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S23@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 6781F541E72041B7BCEF3BDD2C7263B09177
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F3@
1 NOTE @NI8@
0 @NI8@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 16/6/07: 'Fragment 6' has her second name as Cathleen an
1 CONC d this was previously entered in the database; however, th
1 CONC e cited NZ death registration has Catherine. Either could i
1 CONC nvolve a 'typo', but I've assumed the official record has b
1 CONC een correctly transcribed and have given it priority - i.e
1 CONC . changed the second given name displayed. 'Fragment 6' als
1 CONC o, curiously, gives her dob as 1913 - 11 years after her ma
1 CONC rriage and the birth of at least 4 children; perhaps 'd 191
1 CONC 3' was intended, but then what of the birth of son George H
1 CONC enry in 1915? - and anyway we have a death record in 1950.
1 CONT 
1 CONT 26/6/07: James, in response to my raising these and other q
1 CONC ueries/changes concerning Catherine/Cathleen and family, ci
1 CONC ted an earlier email he'd sent to Nigel, Graham and Rober
1 CONC t "a few months after Nigel had proposed the connection bet
1 CONC ween the (then embryonic) Hants-to-Hereford tree and the We
1 CONC smill tree" [I assume, therefore, c. Jan 2006]:
1 CONT 
1 CONT "The Wesmill Tree had Elizabeth Cathleen Walker ... ... bor
1 CONC n 1913, which obviously doesn't square with her date of mar
1 CONC riage or birth dates for the children, so I've left this ou
1 CONC t. ... ... ... Although I'd noted the Catherine/Cathleen di
1 CONC screpancy, I left it as Cathleen (as in the Wesmill tree) b
1 CONC ut I think you're right that it makes sense to change it t
1 CONC o Catherine, since we do have a source record with this nam
1 CONC e. I think the 1913 date was in the original fragment provi
1 CONC ded by Gwen/Robert, but it was clearly wrong. We don't eve
1 CONC n know whether Elizabeth Catherine Walker was born in NZ o
1 CONC r emigrated from the UK, so it'll be difficult to track dow
1 CONC n her birth. I had a quick look on FreeBMD and between 186
1 CONC 5 and 1885 I found an Elizabeth Catherine Walker, born 2Q 1
1 CONC 867 Hackney RD 1b 414 and another one born 2Q 1869, Teesdal
1 CONC e RD 10a 250. There was also an Elizabeth C Walker b 3Q 186
1 CONC 6 Strand RD 1b 516."
0 @I9@ INDI
1 NAME John William /Lovelock/
2 GIVN John William
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1903
2 SOUR @S23@
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT
2 DATE 1972
2 SOUR @S23@
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S23@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID D2C103354AFB4655AE2AE5F4F71956915360
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F4@
1 FAMC @F3@
0 @I10@ INDI
1 NAME Unknown /Unknown/
2 GIVN Unknown
2 SURN Unknown
1 SEX F
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 80A9D02C51184997965F55E6552B3997EE23
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F4@
0 @I11@ INDI
1 NAME Ian /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Ian
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMS @F5@
1 FAMC @F4@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @N0@ NOTE
1 CONC Still Living.
0 @I12@ INDI
1 NAME Margaret /Unknown/
2 GIVN Margaret
2 SURN Unknown
1 SEX F
1 FAMS @F5@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I13@ INDI
1 NAME Mary /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Mary
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1905
2 SOUR @S23@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 NOTE @BI13@
1 DEAT
2 DATE 1975
2 SOUR @S23@
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S23@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 7B988929B05247CBBC2C1E358121B15FC6D3
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F3@
1 NOTE @NI13@
0 @NI13@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 26/6/07: James, in response to my raising this and othe
1 CONC r queries/changes concerning Catherine/Cathleen and family
1 CONC , cited an earlier email he'd sent to Nigel, Graham and Rob
1 CONC ert "a few months after Nigel had proposed the connection b
1 CONC etween the (then embryonic) Hants-to-Hereford tree and th
1 CONC e Wesmill tree" [I assume, therefore, c. Jan 2006]: "The We
1 CONC smill tree had two daughters of Charles and Elizabeth Cathl
1 CONC een named Mary both b 1905, I'm assuming this was an error."
0 @BI13@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 26/6/07: James, in response to my raising this and othe
1 CONC r queries/changes concerning Catherine/Cathleen and family
1 CONC , cited an earlier email he'd sent to Nigel, Graham and Rob
1 CONC ert "a few months after Nigel had proposed the connection b
1 CONC etween the (then embryonic) Hants-to-Hereford tree and th
1 CONC e Wesmill tree" [I assume, therefore, c. Jan 2006]: "The We
1 CONC smill tree had two daughters of Charles and Elizabeth Cathl
1 CONC een named Mary both b 1905, I'm assuming this was an error."
0 @I14@ INDI
1 NAME Frederick /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Frederick
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMC @F3@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I15@ INDI
1 NAME Alfred George /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Alfred George
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMS @F6@
1 FAMC @F3@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I16@ INDI
1 NAME Unknown /Unknown/
2 GIVN Unknown
2 SURN Unknown
1 SEX F
1 FAMS @F6@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I17@ INDI
1 NAME Russell H. /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Russell H.
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMC @F6@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I18@ INDI
1 NAME John C. /Lovelock/
2 GIVN John C.
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMC @F6@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I19@ INDI
1 NAME Frances /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Frances
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMC @F6@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I20@ INDI
1 NAME Carol /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Carol
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 FAMC @F6@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I21@ INDI
1 NAME Annette /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Annette
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 FAMC @F6@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I22@ INDI
1 NAME George Henry /Lovelock/
2 GIVN George Henry
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMC @F3@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I23@ INDI
1 NAME John /Lovelock/
2 GIVN John
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 CHR
2 DATE 22 Dec 1811
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Baptisms, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1811 Dec 22 John Son of Thomas & Olive Lovelock
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1882
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 4Q 1882 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 67
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1841
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT 
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT St Georges Street
3 CONT HO107 409/9  F10  P14
3 CONT 
3 CONT Thomas Lovelock;60;Colemarchant [sic];Hampshire
3 CONT John Lovelock;25;Porter;Hampshire
3 CONT Mary Lovelock;20;;Hampshire
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S15@
1 _UID 0F8B699453644F96A628EF64A1E459A1D33C
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F7@
1 FAMC @F11@
0 @I24@ INDI
1 NAME Sarah /Unknown/
2 GIVN Sarah
2 SURN Unknown
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Bet 1814 and 1816
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 SOUR @S18@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 NOTE @BI24@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 17F6C366595143138C955E6D57BCDC627314
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F7@
0 @BI24@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 4/7/07: Variation among census entries re. year of birth.
0 @I25@ INDI
1 NAME John Thomas /Lovelock/
2 GIVN John Thomas
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1844
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1844 in Winchester, Hants, ref 7 236
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 SOUR @S18@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1873
2 PLAC Whitchurch RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 4Q 1873 in Whitchurch (Hants) RD, ref 2c 126
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, John (29)
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1871
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT 
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 38 Cheesehill Street
3 CONT RG10 1211  F68  P9
3 CONT 
3 CONT John Lovelock;Head;M;60;Labourer;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Wife;M;56;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT John T Lovelock;Son;M;26;Police Officer;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Emma Hall;Boarder;;15;;Hants, Week [sic]
3 CONT 
3 CONT Note that in the entry above John T Lovelock is with his pa
3 CONC rents. He was also enumerated in the 1871 census with his w
3 CONC ife and family.
2 SOUR @S18@
3 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email messages 14-Jul-06 and 13-Feb-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F8@
1 FAMC @F7@
0 @I26@ INDI
1 NAME Sarah Susan /Phillis/
2 GIVN Sarah Susan
2 SURN Phillis
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt 1841
2 PLAC North Waltham, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE See especially Graham's email of 3/7/06 and mine of 14 an
4 CONC d 15/7.
2 NOTE @BI26@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE See especially Graham's email of 3/7/06 and mine of 14 an
3 CONC d 15/7.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1841
2 PLAC North Waltham, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT North Waltham, Hampshire
3 CONT HO107 386/25  F5  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Phillis;25;Shoe Maker;Hampshire
3 CONT Clara Phillis;27;;Hampshire
3 CONT [un-named female]{**} Phillis;1;;Hampshire
3 CONT Amelia Phillis;18;Family Servant;Hampshire
3 CONT 
3 CONT {**}  Believed to be Susan (see general note)
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
1 _UID C42A4BE6C7954A238C5D74853C578C786119
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F8@
1 FAMS @F16@
1 FAMC @F17@
1 NOTE @NI26@
0 @NI26@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 19/6/07: There is some uncertainty as regards (the orde
1 CONC r of) her given names. GRO data for her second marriage sup
1 CONC ports 'Sarah Susan' [and possibly a third name beginning wi
1 CONC th I]. She was indeed shown thus in the original HTML versi
1 CONC on of the tree, although I'm not sure details of that secon
1 CONC d marriage had been captured (or 'shared') at that poin
1 CONC t - of course in a key sense it did not involve a Lovelock
1 CONC ! The 1881 Annel Lane entry <i>was</i> cited along with th
1 CONC e tree, but she appears there as 'plain' Susan (Butler). Sh
1 CONC e was 'Susan' in both PR and GRO marriage entries in 1865
1 CONC , 'Susan S' in the 1871, and I eventually (see below) ident
1 CONC ified her as an unnamed female Phillis in 1841.
1 CONT 
1 CONT Graham 3/7/<u>06</u>: "...... dip[ped] into Ancestry to loo
1 CONC k up Susan or Sarah Phillis to see if there might be someth
1 CONC ing, anything, to help. It led me a merry dance, refusing t
1 CONC o turn up a Susan, or Sarah, of the right age in 1851 or 18
1 CONC 61, and no [father] George in 1851 either. George the shoem
1 CONC aker with wife and 3 children was certainly in Micheldeve
1 CONC r in 1861, but goodness knows where our girl was."
1 CONT 
1 CONT I located the GRO ref for the marriage to John T L via BMDI
1 CONC ndex [RL - see email 14/7/06], having previously captured t
1 CONC he PR record at HRO. Calculating that from her age as in th
1 CONC e latter (24) she'd have been born between 26 Dec 1840 an
1 CONC d 25 Dec 1841 and thence at most a few months old at the 18
1 CONC 41 census, I looked for a relevant entry. I also searched F
1 CONC reeBMD and BMDIndex for a birth record, but could find no r
1 CONC egistered birth of a Susan or Sarah Phillis in Hants (or el
1 CONC sewhere) between 1837 and 1846. However, I had found a poss
1 CONC ible 1841 entry, which came to look highly plausible onc
1 CONC e a key transcription/interpretation error [S&N] had been c
1 CONC orrected (see my email 14/7/06 13:31 item 5 for more detail
1 CONC s of this and my other explorations), especially alongsid
1 CONC e an additional 1881 entry (for Susan's parents) in Annel L
1 CONC ane Micheldever and Graham's similarly positive findings (r
1 CONC e. them) in 1861. There is a minor problem around Susan's m
1 CONC other's given name as recorded in 1841 (Clara)<i> vis-à-vis
1 CONC </i> the 1861, 1881 and 1891 census entries and the GRO reg
1 CONC istration of her death (all Eliza); the image of the 1841 i
1 CONC s quite clear/no transcription error. Also Sarah [if 'tis s
1 CONC he] is stated in 1841 as aged 1 [year] in the 1841. We can'
1 CONC t find George and Eliza in 1871.
0 @BI26@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 19/6/07: Combination of age stated in marriage entry an
1 CONC d several census entries suggest 1841 most likely year of b
1 CONC irth. See also general note.
0 @I27@ INDI
1 NAME George J /Lovelock/
2 GIVN George J
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1866
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 1Q 1866 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 106
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
2 SOUR @S18@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S21@
2 NOTE @BI27@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1938
2 PLAC Hereford RD, Herefordshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death (age 72) in 3Q 1938 in Hereford RD, ref 6a 530
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 8/3/07: GRO details were supplied to James by Graham o
4 CONC n 1/8/06 and appeared in the updated HTML version of the tr
4 CONC ee uploaded on 5/9/06.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, George J  72
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Micheldever, Hampshire
3 CONT Annel Lane
3 CONT RG11 1229  F43  P29
3 CONT 
3 CONT William Butler;Head;M;45;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Susan Butler;Wife;M;40;;Hants, N Waltham
3 CONT George Lovelock;Son;U;15;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Son;;13;Farm Labr;Hants, Stockbridge
3 CONT William Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Hants, Barton Stacey
3 CONT Kate Lovelock;Daur;;7;Scholar;Hants, Romsey
3 CONT Rose Butler;Daur;;3;Scholar;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Elizabeth Butler;Daur;6m;;Hants, Micheldever
2 SOUR @S19@
3 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
4 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 _UID E156D18823244CA9B8CBB517D6490F1760EF
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F9@
1 FAMC @F8@
1 NOTE @NI27@
0 @NI27@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 21/6/07: James to me 28/4/07: "Initial email message [
1 CONC 4 Sept 2005 to Lovelock list] from Nigel Gerdes ['Lovelock
1 CONC s as listed on the LDS 1851 census record CD for Norfolk, W
1 CONC arwickshire and Devon'] ... led to the discussion of the in
1 CONC itial version of the H-to-H tree. ... ... [I]t prompted Gra
1 CONC ham to look for other Lovelocks in East Anglia, and one o
1 CONC f the families he found was that of George Lovelock (1866-1
1 CONC 938) & Louise Unknown, with children born in Suffolk. Thi
1 CONC s family wasn't in fact connected to the 1851 census record
1 CONC s that Nigel had found".
0 @BI27@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 9/3/07: Have so far found no Micheldever PR record at HR
1 CONC O of baptism abt 1865/6 of a George J L, grandson of Thoma
1 CONC s and Olive.
0 @I28@ INDI
1 NAME Louise /Unknown/
2 GIVN Louise
2 SURN Unknown
1 NAME Louisa /Unknown/
2 GIVN Louisa
2 SURN Unknown
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Bet 1861 and 1865
2 PLAC Crawley, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S21@
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death registration (qv)
3 QUAY 3
2 NOTE @BI28@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1937
2 PLAC Hereford RD, Herefordshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death (age 74) in 3Q 1937 in Hereford RD, ref 6a 503
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 8/3/07: GRO details were supplied to James by Graham o
4 CONC n 1/8/06 and appeared in the updated HTML version of the tr
4 CONC ee uploaded on 5/9/06.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, Louisa   74
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 8462A5C7C3C444C69B816E27C564266548F4
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F9@
1 NOTE @NI28@
0 @NI28@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 17/6/07: See note to marriage re. lack of a bride's nam
1 CONC e in FreeBMD George L marriage records 1882/86. FreeBMD sea
1 CONC rch (2/7/06) for a birth of a Louise ..???.. in Wincheste
1 CONC r RD 1859/62 threw up one 'possibility' in Louise Pauline H
1 CONC eller 3Q 1860 2c 81. Searched again 22/8/07 for 1857/66; sa
1 CONC me result.
1 CONT James's view (5/3/07) is that not much more can really be s
1 CONC aid than the lack of a GRO marriage record. (Further discus
1 CONC sion (RL) in note to birth.)
0 @BI28@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 17/6/07: The earlier HTML version of the tree (Graham's
1 CONC ) had Louise born Crawley, Hants 1861/2, presumably from th
1 CONC e 1901 census entry, although the 1891 entry would sugges
1 CONC t 1864/5. (Locating Lovelocks born in Suffolk (i.e. some o
1 CONC f George and Louise's children), following Nigel Gerdes' Se
1 CONC pt 2005 email was, I believe, the origin of the Hants/Heref
1 CONC ord link.)  The GRO death entry (3Q 1937) believed to be he
1 CONC r includes 'age 74', implying birth in 1862/3.
1 CONT 
1 CONT Searching (2/7/06) for a birth of a Louise ..??.. in Winche
1 CONC ster RD 1859/62 incl. [and now (22/8/07) 1857/66 incl.] thr
1 CONC ew up only one possibility: Louise Pauline Heller 3Q 1860
1 CONC , 2c 84. [FreeBMD gives the page no. as 8<u>1</u>, with n
1 CONC o indication of uncertainty; however, viewing the image vi
1 CONC a BMDIndex shows the page no. clearly as 8<u>4</u>. While t
1 CONC he page no. on the image viewed via FreeBMD does look to b
1 CONC e 81 at first sight, closer inspection reveals that the "1
1 CONC " is a bit fuzzy along the left edge and 'could very well
1 CONC ' be a "4".]
1 CONT 
1 CONT The IGI has what appears to be this birth (although it doe
1 CONC s not appear in the LDS British Vital Records 2nd edn): Lou
1 CONC ise Pauline Heller 10 Jun 1860  East View, Winchester, Hamp
1 CONC shire, England, parents Edward Paul Heller and Julia née Bl
1 CONC ake.
1 CONT 
1 CONT An 1861 census entry (RG9 691 F100 P18) for Winchester, S
1 CONC t Thomas, 4 East View, shows the family with Louisa aged 1
1 CONC 0 months, her father Edward (30) a Professor of German at W
1 CONC inchester College, born Wurtemberg [sic], her mother Juli
1 CONC a (38) born Cowes IoW, and an elder brother and sister - pl
1 CONC us 2 servants. I can't find her in later censuses; nor is t
1 CONC here a marriage of a Louise Heller on FreeBMD.
1 CONT 
1 CONT The IGI birth record for Louise Pauline Heller also show
1 CONC s a date of death of 18 August 1949, which if correct mean
1 CONC s this is <i><u>not</u> </i>our girl (assuming the 1937 GR
1 CONC O entry <i>does</i> refer to George's wife Louise/a). There
1 CONC 's no Louise Heller death listed during 1949 on BMDIndex. A
1 CONC n "All types" [of BMDs] FreeBMD search (9/3/07) for 1860/19
1 CONC 60 on Louise Heller found only that same birth plus anothe
1 CONC r of a Louise Augusta G C Heller in St.Geo. East RD, 4Q 189
1 CONC 0, 1c 316.
0 @I29@ INDI
1 NAME William George /Lovelock/
2 GIVN William George
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1887
2 PLAC Crawley, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 2Q 1887 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 102
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S22@
3 NOTE RL: See note - no PR record of a baptism in Crawley.
2 NOTE @BI29@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 9DEEBA3A88704AE2AA6E24943749D8703BCB
1 CHAN
2 DATE 22 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @BI29@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 9/3/07: Have so far found no Crawley PR baptism record a
1 CONC t HRO for William George L 1887 - nor any Lovelock baptism
1 CONC s there in the next following years.
0 @I30@ INDI
1 NAME Dora Florence /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Dora Florence
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1889
2 PLAC Bradfield, Essex, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 2Q 1889 in Tendring RD, ref 4a 517
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S20@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1899
2 PLAC Grantham RD, Lincolnshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 2Q 1899 in Grantham RD, ref 7a 298
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 618D8E5814494C7EA16A5E3501F3161ABD56
1 CHAN
2 DATE 16 Jul 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @I31@ INDI
1 NAME Alfred Gamble /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Alfred Gamble
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1890
2 PLAC East Bergholt, Suffolk, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 3Q 1890 in Samford RD, ref 4a 787
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S21@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID CD5A787F027849919FE2F2BFCE7F6C58B5BE
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @I32@ INDI
1 NAME Frank Edward /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Frank Edward
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1892
2 PLAC Sudbury RD, Suffolk, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 1Q 1892 in Sudbury RD, ref 4a 733
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1893
2 PLAC Sudbury RD, Suffolk, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 2Q 1893 in Sudbury RD, ref 4a 367
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID AD52A6503A624514A7EB90A650A4E239C182
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @I33@ INDI
1 NAME Arthur Frederick /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Arthur Frederick
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1893
2 PLAC Long Melford, Suffolk, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 2Q 1893 in Sudbury RD, ref 4a 746
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S21@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 91D4B461A1854C508146E4BE13A87A5832DC
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F10@
1 FAMC @F9@
1 NOTE @NI33@
0 @NI33@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 8/3/07: Some info. on this twig is from Liz Summerson (v
1 CONC ia Graham); Liz is a Great Niece of Arthur Frederick L.
0 @I34@ INDI
1 NAME Clara Marion Lewis /Garrett/
2 GIVN Clara Marion Lewis
2 SURN Garrett
1 SEX F
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 9FBE74F0C41C462EAD41780608E02040C9B5
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F10@
0 @I35@ INDI
1 NAME Frederick O. G. /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Frederick O. G.
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMC @F10@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I36@ INDI
1 NAME Clara A. /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Clara A.
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 FAMC @F10@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I37@ INDI
1 NAME Leonard W /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Leonard W
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 FAMC @F10@
1 NOTE @N0@
0 @I38@ INDI
1 NAME Leonard Cecil /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Leonard Cecil
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1894
2 PLAC Empingham, Rutland, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1894 in Oakham RD, ref 7a 341
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID C93AFA3A49D94028B344B72B6358C0778C5B
1 CHAN
2 DATE 22 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @I39@ INDI
1 NAME Elsie Louise /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Elsie Louise
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1895
2 PLAC Oakham RD, Rutland, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1895 in Oakham RD, ref 7a 319
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1895
2 PLAC Oakham RD, Rutland, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 4Q 1895 in Oakham RD, ref 7a 187
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID BFE32E28D29244E682F1D87F1031A59ED492
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @I40@ INDI
1 NAME Ruth Alice /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Ruth Alice
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1897
2 PLAC Empingham, Rutland, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 1Q 1897 in Oakham RD, ref 7a 363
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S21@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID A095C31D8C60459FBAF539EE6DB25BED22C3
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @I41@ INDI
1 NAME Edith Grace Ellen /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Edith Grace Ellen
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1898
2 PLAC Oakham RD, Rutland, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 2Q 1898 in Oakham RD, ref 7a 359
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1898
2 PLAC Grantham RD, Lincolnshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 3Q 1898 in Grantham RD, ref 7a 312
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 5CAC205AB580489CB1F48ED22C561BC2FFBA
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @I42@ INDI
1 NAME Winifred Margery /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Winifred Margery
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Jun-Jul 1900
2 PLAC Brockhampton, Herefordshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 3Q 1900 in Ross RD, ref 6a 477
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S21@
2 NOTE @BI42@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID E317D60F171E4C8AA8747FDC1A8213A3B399
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @BI42@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 17/6/07: 3Q registration, which James would normally sho
1 CONC w as "abt Sep", but age cited in 1901 (31 March) census ent
1 CONC ry ("9 months") suggests born June/July 1900.
0 @I43@ INDI
1 NAME Phylis Margaret /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Phylis Margaret
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1902
2 PLAC Ross RD, Herefordshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 2Q 1902 in Ross RD, ref 6a 497
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID E6E4EF92FB944809BFCAB85044EDC23CEB6E
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMC @F9@
0 @I44@ INDI
1 NAME Walter John /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Walter John
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1868
2 PLAC Stockbridge, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in 1Q 1868 in Stockbridge RD, ref 2c 86
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 20/6/07: See note to birth entry for discussion of name
4 CONC s as recorded.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, John Thomas [sic]
2 SOUR @S18@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 NOTE @BI44@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Micheldever, Hampshire
3 CONT Annel Lane
3 CONT RG11 1229  F43  P29
3 CONT 
3 CONT William Butler;Head;M;45;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Susan Butler;Wife;M;40;;Hants, N Waltham
3 CONT George Lovelock;Son;U;15;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Son;;13;Farm Labr;Hants, Stockbridge
3 CONT William Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Hants, Barton Stacey
3 CONT Kate Lovelock;Daur;;7;Scholar;Hants, Romsey
3 CONT Rose Butler;Daur;;3;Scholar;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Elizabeth Butler;Daur;6m;;Hants, Micheldever
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
2 SOUR @S19@
3 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
4 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
1 _UID C0CB2EAF1D874C75A2B5B52F98952E167947
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F18@
1 FAMC @F8@
1 NOTE @NI44@
0 @NI44@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07: Graham and I had an exchange 1/4 Feb 2007 conce
1 CONC rning Walter's marriage and family. In the course of thi
1 CONC s I identified additional birth details for Walter and hi
1 CONC s 3 known siblings. See notes to Walter's birth.
0 @BI44@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07: Graham and I had an exchange 1/4 Feb 2007 conce
1 CONC rning the marriage and family of Walter L who we had as b 1
1 CONC 867/8 Stockbridge [presumably from the 1871 and 1881 entrie
1 CONC s]. As a result of our explorations {more details below**
1 CONC } we believe the following birth entry is in fact our man
1 CONC : <i><u>John Thomas</i></u> L, Stockbridge RD 1Q 1868, 2c 8
1 CONC 6. He's entered as 'Walter Thomas' in the GRO record of hi
1 CONC s 1889 marriage [see also 1891 and 1901 census extracts - a
1 CONC lthough he's just 'Walter' in both].
1 CONT 
1 CONT ** Walter's stated place of birth in the 1891 and 1901 cens
1 CONC us extracts (with his wife and [in 1901] daughter), which G
1 CONC raham located, was Micheldever (like his brother George); w
1 CONC hereas in the 1871 (Romsey) and 1881 (Annel Lane, Micheldev
1 CONC er) entries (with his parents and his [widowed and remarrie
1 CONC d] mother respectively), he's recorded as born Stockbridge
1 CONC . Apart from this everything else we have is consistent wit
1 CONC h the 1Q 1868 John Thomas birth reg'n being our Walter (Tho
1 CONC mas). Given the familiar difficulties around 'actual' birth
1 CONC places where we have GRO and census (especially 'varying' c
1 CONC ensus) data but no PR record, I decided to re-check BMDInde
1 CONC x for Walter and his siblings. In addition, doubting from l
1 CONC ocal knowledge that Micheldever and Stockbridge would be i
1 CONC n the same RD, I turned to Genuki. Stockbridge, somewhat t
1 CONC o my surprise, turns out to have been 'its own' RD until 19
1 CONC 32; Micheldever, as one would expect, was in Winchester R
1 CONC D all the while. Perhaps the family moved when Walter wa
1 CONC s a babe-in-arms, in which case as far as he would have bee
1 CONC n concerned Micheldever was where he'd 'always' lived a
1 CONC s a boy ...... Regarding the 'variation' in his names, perh
1 CONC aps the parents changed their minds about what to call hi
1 CONC m after registering the child. It doesn't seem to have bee
1 CONC n simply his own later preference to be 'Walter', since h
1 CONC e was entered as 'Walter' both in the 1871 (aged 3) and th
1 CONC e 1881 (aged 13) - so neither was it probably just his moth
1 CONC er's idea.
0 @I45@ INDI
1 NAME William Edward /Lovelock/
2 GIVN William Edward
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Nov-Dec 1870
2 PLAC Barton Stacey, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1870 in Andover RD, ref 2c 194
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
2 SOUR @S18@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 NOTE @BI45@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Micheldever, Hampshire
3 CONT Annel Lane
3 CONT RG11 1229  F43  P29
3 CONT 
3 CONT William Butler;Head;M;45;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Susan Butler;Wife;M;40;;Hants, N Waltham
3 CONT George Lovelock;Son;U;15;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Son;;13;Farm Labr;Hants, Stockbridge
3 CONT William Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Hants, Barton Stacey
3 CONT Kate Lovelock;Daur;;7;Scholar;Hants, Romsey
3 CONT Rose Butler;Daur;;3;Scholar;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Elizabeth Butler;Daur;6m;;Hants, Micheldever
2 SOUR @S19@
3 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
4 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 _UID DCA2026CFE11426E94D2636E9DB452F479E9
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F8@
0 @BI45@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 17/6/07: 4Q registration, which James would normally sho
1 CONC w as "abt Dec", but age cited in 1871 (2 April) census entr
1 CONC y ("4 months") suggests born Nov/Dec 1870.
0 @I46@ INDI
1 NAME Sarah Kate /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Sarah Kate
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1873
2 PLAC Romsey, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in Romsey RD in 2Q 1873, ref 2c 70
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, Sarah Kate
2 SOUR @S19@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Micheldever, Hampshire
3 CONT Annel Lane
3 CONT RG11 1229  F43  P29
3 CONT 
3 CONT William Butler;Head;M;45;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Susan Butler;Wife;M;40;;Hants, N Waltham
3 CONT George Lovelock;Son;U;15;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Son;;13;Farm Labr;Hants, Stockbridge
3 CONT William Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Hants, Barton Stacey
3 CONT Kate Lovelock;Daur;;7;Scholar;Hants, Romsey
3 CONT Rose Butler;Daur;;3;Scholar;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Elizabeth Butler;Daur;6m;;Hants, Micheldever
2 SOUR @S19@
3 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
4 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 _UID 0D4FB351205946CA81D6E47762273494EC07
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F8@
0 @I47@ INDI
1 NAME Mary E /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Mary E
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1847-1848
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
3 NOTE RL 20/6/07: See birth note.
2 SOUR @S13@
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 NOTE @BI47@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 PAGE descendant tree provided 13-Oct-05 et seq
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 10378104B2CC42CE81D2C3BEA0FF4C2A43B6
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F7@
1 NOTE @NI47@
0 @NI47@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 21/6/07:<i> {Transferred first sentence of following not
1 CONC e from previous HTML version of tree and added asterisked n
1 CONC ote; also added second sentence.}
1 CONT </i>
1 CONT Mary may have married in the Winchester RD in 1Q 1866, re
1 CONC f 2c 143; or in 3Q 1869, ref 2c 172.{**} Mary Lovelock ba
1 CONC p 24 Sep 1820 is another candidate for these marriage entri
1 CONC es, as are both Mary L bap Compton 4 July 1824 and Mar
1 CONC y L b 2Q 1845 in St Cross (both in the Compton tree).
1 CONT 
1 CONT {**} The IGI has: 'Marriage Joseph Gaiger and Mary Loveloc
1 CONC k 26 July 1869 Saint Thomas, Winchester'. BMDIndex has 'mat
1 CONC ching' marriage entries Winchester RD 3Q 1869, ref 2c 172 f
1 CONC or a Mary Lovelock and a Joseph Gaiger (see my email 6/2/0
1 CONC 7 22:00). I don't think I searched Winchester St Thomas PR
1 CONC s as 'late' as 1869 on my July 2006 visit to Hants RO, a
1 CONC s I was specifically looking for Lovelocks at the beginnin
1 CONC g of the H-to-H tree.
1 CONT The other names on the page in the FreeBMD entry for the 1
1 CONC Q 1866 marriage are Edward Betts, George Bishop, and Jane O
1 CONC borne.
0 @BI47@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07: Mary E and Eliza both appear in the 1851 entr
1 CONC y (aged 3 and 1); both also appear in 1861, along with youn
1 CONC ger sister Kate (aged 13, 11 and 4).
1 CONT As regards a possible GRO birth entry (for Mary E), I can f
1 CONC ind only 2Q 1845 Lovelock Mary, Winchester, ref 7 237. If t
1 CONC his is Mary E, why would her age be consistently inaccurat
1 CONC e in the census extracts we have? (Although we do have Eliz
1 CONC a - still with her parents John and Sarah - entered as age
1 CONC d 28 in 1881.) In any case, we have this 2Q 1845 entry sati
1 CONC sfactorily allocated to Mary daur of William L and Sarah (P
1 CONC erren) in the Compton tree.
1 CONT 
1 CONT (I also captured 3Q 1851 Lovelock Maria, Winchester, re
1 CONC f 7 271, but this is almost certainly Maria Louisa bap 17 S
1 CONC ep 1851 at St Cross and buried next day, 18 Sep 1851, at S
1 CONC t Cross (3Q 1851 Winchester, ref 7 189), the illegitimate d
1 CONC aughter of Jane L bap 22 Mar 1829 at St Cross and herself b
1 CONC uried 15 Jun 1854 at St Cross (2Q 1854 Winchester, ref 2c 6
1 CONC 4), again in the Compton tree.)
0 @I48@ INDI
1 NAME Eliza /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Eliza
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1849-1850
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE RL 20/6/07: See note to birth.
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 NOTE @BI48@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire
3 CONT 38 Cheesehill St
3 CONT RG11 1233 F6 P11
3 CONT Name Relation Marr Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
3 CONT John LOVELOCK Head M 70 M St Thomas, Hampshire
3 CONT Sarah LOVELOCK Wife M 65 F St Hyde, Hampshire
3 CONT Eliza LOVELOCK Daur U 28 F St Peter Cheesehill, Hampshire
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S19@
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
4 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 _UID 2C991CBDD92D499F8F07F472E240AE3B93DE
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F7@
0 @BI48@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07: Mary E and Eliza both appear in the 1851 entr
1 CONC y (aged 3 and 1); both also appear in 1861, along with youn
1 CONC ger sister Kate (aged 13, 11 and 4).  Eliza was still wit
1 CONC h her parents John and Sarah in 1881, entered as aged 28.
0 @I49@ INDI
1 NAME Kate Ruth /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Kate Ruth
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1857
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE Especially exchanges 24/28 Nov 2006 and on 7/3/07.
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 1Q 1857 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 91.
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, Kate Ruth
2 NOTE @BI49@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1862
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S4@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE Especially exchange on 7/3/07.
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in Winchester RD in 4Q 1862, ref 2c 53
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE See notes.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, Ruth Kate
2 NOTE @DI49@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Especially exchanges 24/28 Nov 2006 and on 7/3/07.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 11 Cheesehill Street
3 CONT RG9 693  F43  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT John Lovelock;Head;M;50;Bricklayer's Labourer;Hants, Winche
3 CONC ster
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Wife;M;44;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT John T Lovelock;Son;U;16;Porter;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Mary E Lovelock;Daur;;13;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Eliza Lovelock;Daur;;11;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Frederick Lovelock;Son;7;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Kate P [sic] Lovelock;Daur;4;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S17@
3 PAGE transcription provided by Graham Lovelock, email message 13-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
1 _UID 7107C8F267E344CF8A92BF7D1CC433645EF6
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F7@
1 NOTE @NI49@
0 @NI49@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07: We previously had Kate as 'Kate P'; the image o
1 CONC f the 1861 entry for 11 Cheesehill St, whence presumably th
1 CONC is comes, is quite clear in this respect. In particular, ex
1 CONC amining the Enumerator's style suggests that the key lette
1 CONC r could not be an 'R'. Yet the only relevant birth entry Gr
1 CONC aham and I have found (from BMDIndex and FreeBMD) is 1Q 185
1 CONC 7 Lovelock, Kate Ruth Winchester RD 2c 91.
1 CONT 
1 CONT Graham 7/3/07 (previously discussed RL/GL 24/28 Nov 2006, w
1 CONC hen I'd come across the entry in looking for GRO data to su
1 CONC pport the Compton tree):
1 CONT "Free BMD is almost complete in the years of interest and t
1 CONC here's only the birth of [a] Kate Ruth [L], so I think [thi
1 CONC s must be our girl]. [Given the 1861 entry] it should be Ka
1 CONC te Ruth in the tree and Kate P [sic] in the census record
1 CONC . Do we have the death detail for Kate? I don't recall it
1 CONC , so perhaps it wasn't on Free BMD when I was looking. Th
1 CONC e entry is in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1862, in the Wincheste
1 CONC r RD of course, ref 2c 53. The entry is under the name of R
1 CONC uth Kate. This is certainly consistent with being unable t
1 CONC o find any other mention after 1861 in any records for Kat
1 CONC e P, Kate R, or Ruth K or Ruth Kate."
0 @BI49@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07: Mary E and Eliza both appear in the 1851 entr
1 CONC y (aged 3 and 1); both also appear in 1861, along with youn
1 CONC ger sister Kate (aged 13, 11 and 4).
0 @DI49@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07:
1 CONT Graham 7/3/07: "Do we have the death detail for Kate? I don
1 CONC 't recall it, so perhaps it wasn't on Free BMD when I was l
1 CONC ooking. The entry is in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1862, in th
1 CONC e Winchester RD of course, ref 2c 53. The entry is under th
1 CONC e name of Ruth Kate. This is certainly consistent with bein
1 CONC g unable to find any other mention after 1861 in any record
1 CONC s for Kate P, Kate R, or Ruth K or Ruth Kate."
0 @I50@ INDI
1 NAME Thomas /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Thomas
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt 1779
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S13@
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S15@
2 NOTE @BI50@
1 CHR
2 DATE 30 Sep 1779
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 PAGE Baptisms 1626-1837 (Modern Transcript)
3 QUAY 2
3 NOTE Added RL 29/6/07
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1779 Sep 30 Thomas s. Thos & Lydia Lovelock
2 NOTE @CI50@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1854
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 3Q 1854 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 64
3 QUAY 3
2 NOTE @DI50@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Including exchanges 26/6/07 - 12/7/07 (involving James too
3 CONC ) extending tree 'back' one generation, this Thomas havin
3 CONC g been previously its progenitor.
1 SOUR @S14@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1841
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT St Georges Street
3 CONT HO107 409/9  F10  P14
3 CONT 
3 CONT Thomas Lovelock;60;Colemarchant [sic];Hampshire
3 CONT John Lovelock;25;Porter;Hampshire
3 CONT Mary Lovelock;20;;Hampshire
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S15@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT Christs Hospital
3 CONT HO107 1674  F60  P10
3 CONT 
3 CONT Among others:
3 CONT Thos Lovelock;Inmate;W;71;No Occ;Hants, Twyford
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S14@
1 _UID 40B50CA687BA4115B306596E4A0DAEB275A5
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F11@
1 FAMC @F19@
1 NOTE @NI50@
0 @NI50@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 13/7/07: Hitherto progenitor of the Hants-to-Hereford tr
1 CONC ee, now taken one generation 'back' to his father.
1 CONT 
1 CONT Agreed transcriptions of two 1851 census extracts not direc
1 CONC tly involving Thomas himself (originally added here 25/6/0
1 CONC 7 and now relocated to suggested siblings John bap 1786 an
1 CONC d [less confidently] Mary b 1781.
0 @BI50@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 21/6/07: Stated age in 1841 was 60, but this could hav
1 CONC e been rounded down{*}; in 1851 stated age was 71 (and b Tw
1 CONC yford).
1 CONT 
1 CONT {*} Graham 19/7/06: "The official line, from the FamilyReco
1 CONC rds.gov.uk site, is that in 1841 'For those under 15, age
1 CONC s were given exactly (if known): for people over 15, ages w
1 CONC ere rounded down to the nearest five years. For example, so
1 CONC meone of 64 would appear as 60, another of 29 as 25.'  We k
1 CONC now that some enumerators did not follow the rounding dow
1 CONC n instruction, but most seem to have followed the instructi
1 CONC on for under 15s, quoting completed years for those over 1
1 CONC , completed months for those over 1 month, and weeks for th
1 CONC ose under 1 month. I can't honestly recall whether I have c
1 CONC ome across an entry for a child aged less than 1 week."
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 13/7/07: PRs for Twyford have not been searched at Hant
1 CONC s RO, but we now believe Thomas to be the subject of the fo
1 CONC llowing PR baptism entry (from a Modern Transcript) on th
1 CONC e Lovelock website:
1 CONT <b>1779 Sep 30 Thomas s. Thos & Lydia Lovelock
1 CONT </b>
0 @CI50@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 29/6/07: Probably the relevant record (see note to birth
1 CONC ).
0 @DI50@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 19/3/07: GRO entry is believed to refer to this Thomas L
1 CONC , who we've captured in 1841 and 1851 but can't locate in l
1 CONC ater censuses. [However, see notes to son Thomas bap 1817.]
0 @I51@ INDI
1 NAME Olive /Matton/
2 GIVN Olive
2 SURN Matton
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt 1788-1789
2 SOUR @S3@
2 NOTE @BI51@
1 BURI
2 DATE 17 Jun 1833
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Burials, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1833 June 17 Olive Lovelock wife of Thomas Lovelock Saint G
5 CONC eorges Street 44 years
5 CONT Also in Hampshire Burial Index (provided by Robert Sterry)
5 CONC : 1833 Jun 17 Olive Lovelock 44.
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 582644567A12423ABECD6F646C9D6A7B6CDB
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F11@
0 @BI51@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT Date of birth from age (44) at burial in 1833 - i.e. (if th
1 CONC is was accurate) born between 18 June 1788 and 17 June 1879
1 CONC . No PR baptism record has been found.
0 @I52@ INDI
1 NAME George /Lovelock/
2 GIVN George
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Bet 1807 and 1809
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 NOTE @BI52@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 PAGE descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 12 Cheesehill St
3 CONT RG9 693  F43  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Lovelock;Head;W;53;Chelsea Pensioner;Hants, Winchest
3 CONC er
3 CONT Sarah M Lovelock;Daur;;16;Servant;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Henry G Lovelock;Son;;13;Ag Lab;Middlesex, London
3 CONT William T Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Edwin C Lovelock;Son;;7;Scholar;Middlesex, London
2 SOUR @S17@
3 PAGE transcription provided by Graham Lovelock, email message 13-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 _UID F7706BD51E754845801E2F8B997F7B6B1D3C
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 18:35
1 FAMS @F12@
1 FAMC @F11@
1 NOTE @NI52@
0 @NI52@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT The following note was transferred from the previous HTML v
1 CONC ersion of the tree:
1 CONT "There is no proof as yet of George being a son of Thomas a
1 CONC nd Olive. However, he was living next door to their son Joh
1 CONC n in 1861, and was born in Winchester [between 1807 and 180
1 CONC 9]. Considering that George's children were born in London
1 CONC , from the 1861 census, George may have been the one who ma
1 CONC rried at St George Hanover Square in 2Q 1843, ref 1 58. How
1 CONC ever, the FreeBMD entry does not list a Martha (as named i
1 CONC n the 1851 census entry) as the potential spouse."
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 16/7/06: There's a George L death in Kensington RD 2Q 18
1 CONC 64, ref 1a 51. We've not found George in 1871 so he could b
1 CONC e the subject of this entry - and the only George L in Kens
1 CONC ington in 1861 according to the S&N census index was aged 6
1 CONC . (See also my speculation concerning Martha's possible dea
1 CONC th in Kensington before 1861.)
0 @BI52@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 19/6/07: In 1851 and 1861 census entries his age was sta
1 CONC ted as 41 and 53 respectively, suggesting birth between 180
1 CONC 7 and 1810. However (Graham 16/3/07), his younger brother T
1 CONC homas was baptised in July 1810 so George could hardly hav
1 CONC e been born later than mid-1809. Given the date of his pare
1 CONC nts' wedding (30 Nov 1807) 1807/9 is perhaps a best estimat
1 CONC e. No PR baptism record has been identified.
0 @I53@ INDI
1 NAME Martha /Unknown/
2 GIVN Martha
2 SURN Unknown
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt 1820
2 PLAC Eastleigh, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S14@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S10@
2 PAGE email message 13-Feb-07
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 3C01BA0CFE6E4869B966242BD2803F254466
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F12@
1 NOTE @NI53@
0 @NI53@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT Martha was present in the 1851 census record, but not in 18
1 CONC 61, for which husband George was recorded as 'widower', s
1 CONC o Martha presumably died between 1851 and 1861. Possible GR
1 CONC O records (provided by Robin Lovelock) include:
1 CONT Maria L 3Q 1851 Winchester 7 189
1 CONT Martha Jane L 3Q 1856 Amesbury 5a 91
1 CONT Mary L 4Q 1857 Winchester 2c 57
1 CONT Maria L 1Q 1860 Hungerford 2c 170
1 CONT <b>Martha L 1Q 1860 Kensington 1a 80
1 CONT Martha L 1Q 1860 Winchester 2c 65
1 CONT </b>Martha L 3Q 1861 Hartley Wintney 9c 89
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 9/3/07: Above is James's note, following my 'nudge' on t
1 CONC he point.
1 CONT In the original discussion with Graham, when I spotted th
1 CONC e double use of the death reg'n, G (14/11/06) said: "What t
1 CONC o do about Martha who died in 1860? I think I must plead gu
1 CONC ilty to entering her twice, but the question now is, as yo
1 CONC u say, which one is she? Well, George the putative son of T
1 CONC homas and Olive was recorded in 1861 as a widower, and th
1 CONC e image is exceptionally clear and unambiguous. UNFORTUNATE
1 CONC LY the image with Thomas on is equally clear, and he too i
1 CONC s a widower. Recourse, then, to the 1851? No use, of course
1 CONC , as both Marthas were alive. So we wait for Free BMD to ca
1 CONC tch up, and then we'll have both references, but the only w
1 CONC ay to resolve the issue would be for one or other, or indee
1 CONC d both, PRs to have recorded the age. Which PRs? Search me!"
1 CONT 
1 CONT Of my (RL's) list (above) the highlighted records seem th
1 CONC e most likely, but the Winchester death in 1860 could wel
1 CONC l be that of Martha b 1775/6, the wife of Thomas L bap Comp
1 CONC ton 10 Aug 1788 (Compton tree). I mused that given the birt
1 CONC hs of several of her children in Middlesex (1844/53), and t
1 CONC hat the family was in a barracks in Winchester in 1851, it'
1 CONC s conceivable that Martha died in Kensington. However, Grah
1 CONC am found 8 Martha's in the London area in 1851 who would ne
1 CONC ed to be accounted for.
0 @I54@ INDI
1 NAME Sarah M /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Sarah M
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1844-1845
2 PLAC Kensington, Middlesex, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 SOUR @S14@
2 NOTE @BI54@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Further extended discussion and searching for additional da
3 CONC ta on George and Martha's four known children (GRO birth en
3 CONC tries, possible marriages and children, etc.) 26-Jun-07 - 1
3 CONC 6-Jul-07. See general note and note to birth for each of th
3 CONC e children, especially Sarah and Henry.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 12 Cheesehill St
3 CONT RG9 693  F43  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Lovelock;Head;W;53;Chelsea Pensioner;Hants, Winchest
3 CONC er
3 CONT Sarah M Lovelock;Daur;;16;Servant;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Henry G Lovelock;Son;;13;Ag Lab;Middlesex, London
3 CONT William T Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Edwin C Lovelock;Son;;7;Scholar;Middlesex, London
2 SOUR @S17@
3 PAGE transcription provided by Graham Lovelock, email message 13-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
2 SOUR @S14@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT Barracks (2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards)
3 CONT HO107 1674  F100  P19
3 CONT 
3 CONT Includes:
3 CONT George Lovelock;Private Soldier, Head of Family;M;41;Labore
3 CONC r [sic];Hampshire [sic]
3 CONT Martha Lovelock;Wife;M;30;;Hampshire, Eadelesly [sic] {**}
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Daughter;;6;;Middlesex, Kensington
3 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son;;3;;Middlesex, Westminster
3 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Son;;2m[?];Middlesex, Westminster
3 CONT 
3 CONT {**} Presumably Eastleigh was stated
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 _UID 9A41A199163643E0B9FF1A6E55A10DB77E65
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F12@
1 NOTE @NI54@
0 @NI54@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 16/7/07: We can find no firm information about her apar
1 CONC t from the two census entries: the 1851 has her as 'plain
1 CONC ' Sarah, b Middx, Kensington; the 1861 as Sarah M, b Middle
1 CONC sex, London - the stated ages are consistent and imply sh
1 CONC e was born 1844/5. (See note to birth for some [unlikely!
1 CONC ] GRO birth registrations.)
1 CONT 
1 CONT I'd found the following possible marriage entry (obviousl
1 CONC y a long shot given our other difficulties locating her aft
1 CONC er 1861):
1 CONT 
1 CONT Kensington 3Q 1872, ref 1a 430
1 CONT Bristow, William
1 CONT Cottle, Alfred Henry
1 CONT Cottle, Henry Alfred
1 CONT Jackon, Ann
1 CONT Jackson, Ann
1 CONT <u>Lovelock, Sarah</u>
1 CONT 
1 CONT However, Graham (9/7/07) then located the following 1881 en
1 CONC try, which seems to 'account for' the <i>possible</i> marri
1 CONC age among the above which <i>would</i> be of primary intere
1 CONC st (although if Sarah's age is correct she married very you
1 CONC ng, with George jnr apparently not the reason):
1 CONT 
1 CONT (1881) London, Middx
1 CONT 33 Elgin Crescent,
1 CONT RG11 42  F68  P34
1 CONT George Lovelock;Head;29;Glazier;Surrey, Kingston
1 CONT Henry Cottle;Brother [sic];26;Smith;Middx, Kensington
1 CONT Sarah Cottle;Wife;25;Middx, Kensington
1 CONT George Cottle;Son;6;Middx Kensington
1 CONT Henry Cottle;Son;3;Middx Kensington
1 CONT 
1 CONT Graham reported that Ancestry in fact has George L indexe
1 CONC d as George Cottle!
1 CONT Also (GL 9/7/07):
1 CONT "I can't identify George at all ... ... I haven't been abl
1 CONC e to find him in any other census, except:
1 CONT 
1 CONT (1891) Kensington, Middx
1 CONT 8 St Geor Rd [sic],
1 CONT RG12 25  F67  P28
1 CONT George Lovelock;Head;40;Glazier;Surrey, Kingston
1 CONT Elizabeth Lovelock;Wife;35;Paddington
1 CONT George H Lovelock;Son;9;Kensington
1 CONT Elizabeth Lovelock;Daur;5;Kensington
1 CONT 
1 CONT [GL ctd]: A George L married an Elizabeth Walker in the Ful
1 CONC ham RD in 2Q 1881, ref 1a 407.
1 CONT 
1 CONT I presume from the 1881 entry that the Enumerator meant tha
1 CONC t George and Henry (snr) were Brothers-in-law, meaning we h
1 CONC ave a Sarah L born in Kensington in 1855/6, NOT 1844/5 as r
1 CONC equired. But if she's the <i>sister<b></i> </b>of George ..
1 CONC . ... oh goodness! TWO Sarah's from Kensington, neither o
1 CONC f whom appears in FreeBMD! Or have I missed something again
1 CONC ?"
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL (16/7): The following additional GRO births of Sarah L
1 CONC s might be relevant:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Staines 1Q 1848, ref 3 395 (Sarah Elizabeth)
1 CONT St Saviour 4Q 1848, ref 4 451
1 CONT {Brentford 3Q 1850, ref 3 4 (Sarah Maria) - <u>I think she'
1 CONC s a Compton tree child</u> and that the following entry rec
1 CONC ords her early death:
1 CONT Sarah Maria L - Brentford RD 2Q 1852, ref 3a 51 (no age sta
1 CONC ted, unfortunately)}
1 CONT St Pancras 1Q 1851, ref 1, 389 (Elizabeth Sarah)
1 CONT Wandsworth 3Q 1853, ref 1d 362
1 CONT Lambeth 3Q 1854, ref 1d 268 (Caroline Sarah)
1 CONT Bermondsey 4Q 1856, ref 1d 81 (Sarah Ann)
1 CONT Bethnal Green 3Q 1858, ref 1c 225
1 CONT 
1 CONT I [RL] in turn located <i>another </i>Sarah L in 1851 (se
1 CONC e following entry) [see also general note to the present Sa
1 CONC rah M's brother Henry], and because of the other members o
1 CONC f her family group I thought at first [miscalculating age
1 CONC s and dates I later realised!] that she <i><u>might</u> </i
1 CONC >be of interest ref. the two entries immediately above:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Kensington, Middlesex
1 CONT Wrights Lane, 3 Westside,
1 CONT HO107 1468  F187  P25
1 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Head;M;40;Cab Proprietor master 3 <b><u>men
1 CONC </b></u>;Berks, Burvil [sic]
1 CONT Mary A Lovelock;Wife;M;40;;Wilts, Wroughton
1 CONT Rosana Lovelock;Daur;;14;;Wilts, Wroughton
1 CONT George Lovelock;Son;;<b><u>12</b></u>;Scholar;Wilts, Wrough
1 CONC ton
1 CONT James Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Middlex, Kensington
1 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Daur;;8;Scholar;Middlex, Kensington
1 CONT John Lovelock;Son;;6;Scholar;Middlex, Kensington
1 CONT Lucy Lovelock;Daur;;3;;Middlex, Kensington
1 CONT Joseph Lovelock;Son;;1;;Middlex, Kensington
1 CONT Henry Card;Visitor;U;30;Ostler;Wilts, Wroughton
1 CONT William Hetton;Visitor;U;49;Annuitant;Cumberland, Carlisle
1 CONT 
1 CONT (This entry is already on the website; above is my [RL] tra
1 CONC nscription, indicating some minor variations [bold and unde
1 CONC rlined]. Graham suggests, convincingly, that 'Burvil' was a
1 CONC ctually Burghfield, near Reading.)
1 CONT 
1 CONT Sarah L aged 8 here was thus <i>another</i> of that name bo
1 CONC rn in Kensington in the mid c19th - 1842/3 if the age enter
1 CONC ed is accurate. Amazingly, given our problems finding GRO e
1 CONC ntries for Sarah Ls said to have been born in Kensington, o
1 CONC ne of the entries cited in the list recorded in a note to t
1 CONC he <i>present</i> Sarah's birth seems to 'fit': Kensingto
1 CONC n RD 4Q 1842, ref 3, 247[?]. And if that <i>was</i> the do
1 CONC b of the Sarah L in the 1851 Wrights Lane entry above, she'
1 CONC d have been <u>3</u>8 in 1881, so not really a possible fo
1 CONC r the Sarah L who married Henry Cottle unless one or both s
1 CONC tated ages (1851 or 1881) was 'well out'. She does have a b
1 CONC rother George 4 years her senior, but he was born in Wrough
1 CONC ton rather than Kingston, so in the immediate context thi
1 CONC s is a red herring!
1 CONT 
1 CONT A <i>very</i> quick glance at the Wroughton/Tidcombe tree (
1 CONC and the Lyneham Line) revealed neither this family as such
1 CONC , nor a Thomas L born Wroughton abt 1810 to whom a wife an
1 CONC d children might be attached. However, Graham reported (16/
1 CONC 7 21:10pm) finding Thomas, Mary A[nn] and family in 1841 an
1 CONC d 1861 (to add to the 1851 entry above), and further tentat
1 CONC ively confirmed "the Wroughton connection", via a GRO recor
1 CONC d for son George's birth in 3Q 1838 in Swindon &c RD, re
1 CONC f 8 319.
1 CONT 
1 CONT 15/8/07: Graham circulated (24/7) a quite substantial tre
1 CONC e developed from the foregoing initial foray. Some residua
1 CONC l puzzles notwithstanding (see also my email 15/8), there a
1 CONC re good reasons for believing that this Thomas was the so
1 CONC n of James L who married Lucy Doer at Burghfield on 2 Nov 1
1 CONC 812, and was baptised there on 27 June 1813, while James an
1 CONC d Lucy had 3 further children baptised in Hungerford 1816/2
1 CONC 1 ('Lovelocks in Berks by Parish' on website). James was i
1 CONC n turn the son of John L and Sarah Dore at the head of th
1 CONC e 'Hungerford - Shalbourne tree' (presently in 'Work in Pro
1 CONC gress' on the website); he was baptised in Hungerford on 2
1 CONC 8 July 1771. Lucy remarried Thomas Spicer in Hungerford o
1 CONC n Jan 3 1825; the PR marriage entry shows her as widowed.
0 @BI54@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 16/7/07: Date and place of birth from the 1851 census. R
1 CONC epeated searches on FreeBMD and BMDIndex (GL and RL) have y
1 CONC ielded only the following unlikely possible entries [name '
1 CONC plain' Sarah L except where indicated]:
1 CONT 
1 CONT St Luke 1Q 1841 ref 2 58 (Sarah Ann)
1 CONT St Pancras 3Q 1841 ref 1 276
1 CONT Clerkenwell 4Q 1841 ref 3 107 (Sarah Ann)
1 CONT Kensington 4Q 1842 ref 3 247[?] - <u>but see general note
1 CONT </u>
1 CONT Strand RD 2Q 1843 ref 1 343 (Lovelock, Female)
1 CONT Farnham RD 3Q 1844 ref 4 137 (Sarah Ann)
1 CONT St Olave RD 1Q 1846 ref 4 533
0 @I55@ INDI
1 NAME Henry G /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Henry G
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1847-1848
2 PLAC Middlesex, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S17@
3 NOTE RL 4/7/07: Uncertainty over place of birth - see general no
4 CONC te.
2 SOUR @S14@
2 NOTE @BI55@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 PAGE descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Further extended discussion and searching for additional da
3 CONC ta on George and Martha's four known children (GRO birth en
3 CONC tries, possible marriages and children, etc.) 26-Jun-07 - 1
3 CONC 6-Jul-07. See general note and note to birth for each of th
3 CONC e children, especially Sarah and Henry.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 12 Cheesehill St
3 CONT RG9 693  F43  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Lovelock;Head;W;53;Chelsea Pensioner;Hants, Winchest
3 CONC er
3 CONT Sarah M Lovelock;Daur;;16;Servant;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Henry G Lovelock;Son;;13;Ag Lab;Middlesex, London
3 CONT William T Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Edwin C Lovelock;Son;;7;Scholar;Middlesex, London
2 SOUR @S17@
3 PAGE transcription provided by Graham Lovelock, email message 13-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT Barracks (2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards)
3 CONT HO107 1674  F100  P19
3 CONT 
3 CONT Includes:
3 CONT George Lovelock;Private Soldier, Head of Family;M;41;Labore
3 CONC r [sic];Hampshire [sic]
3 CONT Martha Lovelock;Wife;M;30;;Hampshire, Eadelesly [sic] {**}
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Daughter;;6;;Middlesex, Kensington
3 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son;;3;;Middlesex, Westminster
3 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Son;;2m[?];Middlesex, Westminster
3 CONT 
3 CONT {**} Presumably Eastleigh was stated
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F12@
1 NOTE @NI55@
0 @NI55@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 16/7/07:
1 CONT For some time we thought we had quite possibly located Henr
1 CONC y's marriage, children and two grandchildren, although th
1 CONC e whole line of descent turned on whether the Henry initial
1 CONC ly identified in 1871 and 1881 (see below) was <i>in fact</
1 CONC i> the son of George and Martha, the main problem being dis
1 CONC crepancies between possible birth registration data and pla
1 CONC ces of birth cited in various census entries. But we have b
1 CONC een forced to conclude that the Henry L whose marriage an
1 CONC d descendants we had traced is <i><u>not</i></u> this Henr
1 CONC y L. More detail follows, since the data collected may be r
1 CONC elevant later in another context.
1 CONT 
1 CONT The following note was transferred from the previous HTML v
1 CONC ersion of the tree: "Possibly George Henry Lovelock born i
1 CONC n 4Q 1847 in Kensington RD, ref 3 291."
1 CONT 
1 CONT Graham had also located the following two entries (see atta
1 CONC chment to email 16/7/06) as possibly including George and M
1 CONC artha's son Henry:
1 CONT 
1 CONT (1871)  Islington, London
1 CONT 78 Copenhagen Street
1 CONT RG10 261  F88  P49
1 CONT Henry Lovelock;Head;M;23;Carpenter & Joiner;Middx, London
1 CONT Lizzie Lovelock;Wife;M;22;;Middx, London
1 CONT 
1 CONT (1881)  Islington, London
1 CONT 25 Bemerton Street
1 CONT RG11 235  F44  P7
1 CONT James Smith;Head;W;68;Cabinet Maker;Middx, Marylebone
1 CONT Andrew Smith;Son;U;27;Pianoforte Maker;Middx, Islington
1 CONT William Smith;Son;U;24;Pianoforte Maker;Middx, Islington
1 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son-in-law (Head);M;32;Carpenter;Middx, Cler
1 CONC kenwell
1 CONT Elizabeth Lovelock;Wife;M;32;;Middx, Islington
1 CONT Elizabeth Lovelock;Daur;;10;;Middx, Islington
1 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son;;4;;Middx, Islington
1 CONT 
1 CONT However, Graham was uncertain whether Henry L in either o
1 CONC r both entries was in fact George and Martha's son. From Gr
1 CONC aham's GRO (FreeBMD) searches at the time, and mine (incl
1 CONC . BMDIndex) more recently, we have the following births o
1 CONC f Henry Lovelocks (the first two are clearly not strong con
1 CONC tenders):
1 CONT Andover RD 2Q 1847, ref 7 43
1 CONT Hungerford RD 4Q 1847, ref 6 191
1 CONT Clerkenwell RD 3Q 1847, ref 3 115
1 CONT plus the previously identified birth entry for a George Hen
1 CONC ry Lovelock in Kensington RD 4Q 1847, ref 3 291.
1 CONT We've found no births of a Henry Lovelock in 1848.
1 CONT 
1 CONT <b>The key difficulty is that the 1851 entry for George, Ma
1 CONC rtha and family has Henry born Westminster, Middlesex (like
1 CONC wise William; Sarah's stated birthplace was Kensington, Mid
1 CONC dlesex); the 1861 entry has "Henry G" [sic] and all 3 sibli
1 CONC ngs born London, Middlesex. </b>Ages are consistent and imp
1 CONC ly Henry was born 1847/48. (See equivalent general and birt
1 CONC h notes to other children for further detail re. each.) Bot
1 CONC h the Kensington and the Clerkenwell birth entries <i>could
1 CONC </i> apply - except for the stated place of birth being 'We
1 CONC stminster' in the 1851.
1 CONT 
1 CONT Renewed discussion July '07; R located Henry, Elizabeth an
1 CONC d family (see above) in 1891:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Islington, London
1 CONT 25 Bemerton Street
1 CONT RG12 156  F121  P6
1 CONT Henry Lovelock;Head;M;43;Carpenter;London, Pentonville
1 CONT Elizabeth Lovelock;Wife;M;42;;London, Islington
1 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son;S [sic];13;Mercantile Clerk;London, Isli
1 CONC ngton
1 CONT Elizabeth Lovelock;Daur;S [sic];19;Dressmaker;London, Islin
1 CONC gton
1 CONT Andrew Smith;Lodger;S [sic];38;Pianoforte Maker;London, Isl
1 CONC ington
1 CONT Jeremiah Shepherd;Lodger;S [sic];19 [??];Butcher; Bedford [
1 CONC sic], Stotfold
1 CONT 
1 CONT and James found them (see 2/7/08 mail) in 1901 [transcripti
1 CONC on below RL's - the entry is split across 2 pages. {ref. Ja
1 CONC mes's query}; in a separate household at the same address a
1 CONC re Arthur Giles and family, his occupation being somethin
1 CONC g indecipherable concerning piano strings]:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Islington, London
1 CONT 40 Offord Road
1 CONT RG13 181  F8  P7/8
1 CONT Henry Lovelock;Head;M;54;Carpenter;London, Pentonville
1 CONT Elizabeth Lovelock;Wife;M;53;;London, Barnsbury
1 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son;S [sic];24;Pianoforte Maker;London, Barn
1 CONC sbury
1 CONT Andrew Smith;B in Law [sic];S [sic];48;Pianoforte Maker;Lon
1 CONC don, Barnsbury
1 CONT <i>
1 CONT </i>'Pentonville' (Henry's stated birthplace in both thes
1 CONC e entries) supports the Clerkenwell birth registration. (Th
1 CONC ere is a slight inconsistency re. dob in the 1901.)
1 CONT 
1 CONT This appears to be the relevant marriage entry (from FreeBM
1 CONC D and BMDIndex):
1 CONT Marriage in 3Q 1869 in Islington RD, ref 1b 410
1 CONT Lovelock, Henry
1 CONT Smith, Elizabeth
1 CONT 
1 CONT and the following the births of the two children:
1 CONT Birth in 2Q 1871 in Islington RD, ref 1b 251
1 CONT Lovelock, Elizabeth
1 CONT Birth in 4Q 1877 in Islington RD, ref 1b 224
1 CONT Lovelock Harry [sic]
1 CONT <i>
1 CONT </i>Possible birth reg'ns for Elizabeth née Smith:
1 CONT Elizabeth Anne - Islington RD 1Q 1848, ref 3 250
1 CONT Elizabeth - Islington RD 3Q 1848, ref 3 235
1 CONT Elizabeth Emma - Islington RD 1Q 1849, ref 3 323
1 CONT We have no indication of her having had a second given name
1 CONC , perhaps encouraging us to go for the only 'plain' Elizabe
1 CONC th - although in fact none of our census entries for the fa
1 CONC mily include <i>any</i> second names.
1 CONT 
1 CONT Elizabeth jnr could well have married between 1891 and 190
1 CONC 1 (or simply moved out) - I can find no Elizabeth Loveloc
1 CONC k death of the right age in the period).
1 CONT A marriage in Islington RD 3Q 1893, ref 1b 563 seems a poss
1 CONC ibility; the 4 people on the page were: Barrett, Emily; Lov
1 CONC elock, Elizabeth; Smith, George William; Staines Alfred. Ca
1 CONC n find no Elizabeth Staines in 1901 aged about 29 and bor
1 CONC n Islington. No Elizabeth Lovelocks with those characterist
1 CONC ics either - in case our girl hadn't married. Two 29-year-o
1 CONC ld Mrs Elizabeth Smiths born in Islington and both still li
1 CONC ving there in 1901; one with spouse Henry E, the other marr
1 CONC ied to a George W. Transcription of latter/possibly relevan
1 CONC t entry as follows:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Islington, London
1 CONT 5 Stanmore Street
1 CONT RG13 180  F14  P 19
1 CONT George W Smith;Head;M;32;Coal Depot Manager;London, Islingt
1 CONC on
1 CONT Elizabeth Smith;Wife;M;29;;London, Islington
1 CONT Ernest G Smith;Son;S [sic];6;;London, Islington
1 CONT Doris B Smith;Daur;S [sic];4;;London, Islington
1 CONT John H Golding;Boarder;S [sic];Carpenter;London, Islington
1 CONT 
1 CONT Most likely birth reg'ns for the 2 children:
1 CONT Smith, Ernest George - Islington RD 3Q 1894, ref 1b 329
1 CONT Smith, Doris Blanche - Islington RD 1Q 1897, ref 1b 353
1 CONT (There's a Doris Smith b Islington 1Q 1894, suggesting a po
1 CONC ssible infant death - as well as a possible 'reason' fo
1 CONC r a hasty marriage. However, no Doris Smith deaths in the R
1 CONC D 1894-98 incl.)
1 CONT 
1 CONT But of course <b>the above data is only relevant <i>here</i
1 CONC > (i.e. to the H-to-H tree) <i>if </i>Henry L therein <i>is
1 CONC </i> the son of George and Martha. </b>And with all the oth
1 CONC er data fitting together rather well, we <i>were</i> comin
1 CONC g round to opting for the Clerkenwell birth registratio
1 CONC n - and 'bracketing' 'Westminster' in the 1851 as 'aberrant
1 CONC '; perhaps the family were "on the move" at the time of Hen
1 CONC ry's birth and registration (see also below). But then I lo
1 CONC cated the following 1861 entry on the website, which seem
1 CONC s pretty certain to include the Henry L b Clerkenwell 3Q 18
1 CONC 47, ref 3 115, and evidently still resident in the parish:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Clerkenwell, Middx
1 CONT 3<b><u>7</b><i></u>(*)</i> Wellington St
1 CONT RG9 196  F23  P47
1 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Head;50;Painter & Glazier;Middx, Holloway I
1 CONC slington
1 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Wife;49;Laundress;Surrey, Richmond
1 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Daur;19;Middx, Clerkenwell
1 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Son;17;Goldsmith;Middx, Clerkenwell
1 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son;13;Middx, Clerkenwell
1 CONT Charles Lovelock;Son;11;Middx, Clerkenwell
1 CONT George Lovelock;Son;8;Middx, Clerkenwell
1 CONT <i>(*) Address in 1851 entry (below) suggested a possible t
1 CONC ranscription error re. the 1861 on the website; Graham agre
1 CONC ed (16/7/07).
1 CONT 
1 CONT </i>The above entry seems not to be indexed among "The Gene
1 CONC alogist's" 1861 London or Middlesex Lovelocks; quite possib
1 CONC ly there is a mistranscription of the surname. The followin
1 CONC g 1851 entry (initially supplied by Graham) is both on th
1 CONC e website and among "The Genealogist's" indexed transcripti
1 CONC ons. The minor transcription errors suggested via bold/unde
1 CONC rlined items in the following RL reading have been agreed t
1 CONC o by Graham (16/7/07):
1 CONT 
1 CONT Clerkenwell, Middlesex
1 CONT <b><u>37 Wellington</b></u> Street
1 CONT HO107 1518  F207  <b>P38
1 CONT </b>
1 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Head;M;40;Painter;Middx, Holloway
1 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Wife;M;39;;Surrey, <b><u>Richmond</b></u>
1 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Dau;;9;;Middx, <b><u>Pentonville
1 CONT </b></u>Thomas Lovelock;Son;;7;;Middx, <b><u>Pentonville
1 CONT </b></u>Henry Lovelock;Son;;4;;Middx, <b><u>Pentonville</b>
1 CONC </u>
1 CONT Charles Lovelock;Son;;1;;Middx, <b><u>Pentonville</b></u>
1 CONT 
1 CONT And Graham (see 16/7 mail) found Thomas and Sarah in 1841 (
1 CONC albeit that Thomas is stated to have been born in Middlesex
1 CONC ):
1 CONT 
1 CONT (St James) Clerkenwell, Middlesex
1 CONT Wellington Street
1 CONT HO107 662  F44  P39
1 CONT 
1 CONT Thomas Lovelock;30;Plumber J[ourneyman];Middlesex[sic]
1 CONT Sarah Lovelock;30;;Not Middlesex
1 CONT <b>
1 CONT </b>
1 CONT (These 3 Wellington St entries arose from my search for Hen
1 CONC ry G's sister Sarah; see general note to her for related ex
1 CONC plorations.)
1 CONT 
1 CONT <b>This 'forces' us back to the George Henry Lovelock birt
1 CONC h in 4Q 1847 in Kensington RD, ref 3 291</b>, as our only p
1 CONC ossibility for George and Martha's son, notwithstanding th
1 CONC e name order (and see above re. Westminster/Kensington.)
1 CONT 
1 CONT I found this 'possible'(*) marriage entry:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Hackney 3Q 1893, ref 1b 806
1 CONT Almond, Alice Beatrice
1 CONT <u>Lovelock, George Henry</u>
1 CONT Ward, James Josiah
1 CONT Yetton, Sarah Jane
1 CONT 
1 CONT (*) our Henry would, of course, have been 46 by 1893.
1 CONT 
1 CONT There are several marriages of 'plain' George Ls in the Lon
1 CONC don area:
1 CONT East London 3Q 1867; Kensington 4Q 1871; Wandsworth 1Q 1875
1 CONC ; Whitechapel 2Q 1880; West Ham 3Q 1880; Fulham 2Q 1881; Gr
1 CONC eenwich 3Q 1883; Poplar 1Q 1884; Pancras 4Q 1885; though wh
1 CONC y should we assume he'd be in London? - and/or going unde
1 CONC r the name of George? There are also 'plain' George L marri
1 CONC ages in Andover 4Q 1864; in Hungerford 4Q 1886 and 3Q 1890
1 CONC ; and elsewhere.
1 CONT 
1 CONT There are also several marriages of 'plain' Henry Ls in th
1 CONC e London area: Pancras 4Q 1866; Islington 1869; Holborn 1
1 CONC Q 1874; Hackney 3Q 1889; and elsewhere, including Reading 3
1 CONC Q 1887; and:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Basingstoke 4Q 1883, ref 2c 353
1 CONT Alford, Mary Ann
1 CONT Cox, Fred
1 CONT <u>Lovelock, Henry George
1 CONT </u>Simpson, Martha
1 CONT 
1 CONT It's possible of course that we have this Henry George in a
1 CONC nother tree ... ... and in fact (15/8/07) it appears he's t
1 CONC his chap in the 'Ropley-Crondall-Dogmersfield (Hants) tree':
1 CONT    - 6-Henry George Lovelock b. 1Q 1860, Hartley Wintney RD
1 CONC , Hampshire
1 CONT          +Unknown , m. 4Q 1883, Hartley Wintney RD, Hampshi
1 CONC re
0 @BI55@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 16/7/07: See general note for extensive discussion of po
1 CONC ssibly relevant (and not so relevant) census and GRO dat
1 CONC a - and ramifications. Our ultimate uncertainty about his p
1 CONC lace of birth suggests 'dropping' 'Westminster' as a more s
1 CONC pecific birthplace from the previous version of the tree.
0 @I56@ INDI
1 NAME William T /Lovelock/
2 GIVN William T
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1850
2 PLAC Westminster, Middlesex, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in 2Q 1850 in Westminster RD, ref 1 460
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL: There's also a William Thomas L birth in Shoreditch R
4 CONC D in 4Q 1851, ref 2 400; this seems much less likely to b
4 CONC e our boy, given the census entries we have, except that th
4 CONC e age fits better with the stated age of "2 mths" which cer
4 CONC tainly appears from the image to be what's written - possib
4 CONC ly "ten months" mis-heard?
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, William Thomas
2 NOTE @BI56@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 PAGE descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Further extended discussion and searching for additional da
3 CONC ta on George and Martha's four known children (GRO birth en
3 CONC tries, possible marriages and children, etc.) 26-Jun-07 - 1
3 CONC 6-Jul-07. See general note and note to birth for each of th
3 CONC e children, especially Sarah and Henry.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 12 Cheesehill St
3 CONT RG9 693  F43  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Lovelock;Head;W;53;Chelsea Pensioner;Hants, Winchest
3 CONC er
3 CONT Sarah M Lovelock;Daur;;16;Servant;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Henry G Lovelock;Son;;13;Ag Lab;Middlesex, London
3 CONT William T Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Edwin C Lovelock;Son;;7;Scholar;Middlesex, London
2 SOUR @S17@
3 PAGE transcription provided by Graham Lovelock, email message 13-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT Barracks (2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards)
3 CONT HO107 1674  F100  P19
3 CONT 
3 CONT Includes:
3 CONT George Lovelock;Private Soldier, Head of Family;M;41;Labore
3 CONC r [sic];Hampshire [sic]
3 CONT Martha Lovelock;Wife;M;30;;Hampshire, Eadelesly [sic] {**}
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Daughter;;6;;Middlesex, Kensington
3 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son;;3;;Middlesex, Westminster
3 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Son;;2m[?];Middlesex, Westminster
3 CONT 
3 CONT {**} Presumably Eastleigh was the verbally stated birthplac
3 CONC e.
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 _UID 00F8C2B288C746D6A02A611FE99848B7A117
1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F12@
1 NOTE @NI56@
0 @NI56@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT The following note was transferred from the previous HTML v
1 CONC ersion of the tree: "Possibly William Thomas Lovelock bor
1 CONC n 2Q 1850 in Westminster RD, ref 1 460."
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 16/7/07: I found the following possible marriage entry:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Hackney 3Q 1871, ref 1b 677
1 CONT Baigent, Susan
1 CONT Carter, William Henry
1 CONT <u>Lovelock, William Thomas</u>
1 CONT Mills, Mary Ann
1 CONT 
1 CONT However, neither Graham or I can find William in 1881 to 't
1 CONC est' this - or any other - hypothesis about a marriage.
0 @BI56@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 16/7/07: Place and date of birth initially from the 186
1 CONC 1 census. See comment to GRO birth data ref. stated age "
1 CONC 2 months" [?] in 1851.
0 @I57@ INDI
1 NAME Edwin C /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Edwin C
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1853
2 PLAC London, Middlesex, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1853 in Westminster RD, ref 1a 261
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL: There's an Edwin L birth in St Pancras RD in 3Q 1853, r
4 CONC ef 1b 16, but that seems much less likely to be our boy, gi
4 CONC ven the census entries we have.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, Edwin Charles
2 NOTE @BI57@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Further extended discussion and searching for additional da
3 CONC ta on George and Martha's four known children (GRO birth en
3 CONC tries, possible marriages and children, etc.) 26-Jun-07 - 1
3 CONC 6-Jul-07. See general note and note to birth for each of th
3 CONC e children, especially Sarah and Henry.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 12 Cheesehill St
3 CONT RG9 693  F43  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Lovelock;Head;W;53;Chelsea Pensioner;Hants, Winchest
3 CONC er
3 CONT Sarah M Lovelock;Daur;;16;Servant;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Henry G Lovelock;Son;;13;Ag Lab;Middlesex, London
3 CONT William T Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Middlesex, London
3 CONT Edwin C Lovelock;Son;;7;Scholar;Middlesex, London
2 SOUR @S17@
3 PAGE transcription provided by Graham Lovelock, email message 13-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1871
2 PLAC Colchester, Essex, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Colchester, Essex
3 CONT "The Camp", St Botolph
3 CONT RG10 1685  F57  P36
3 CONT Among others:
3 CONT Edwin Lovelock;;U;18;Private;London, Mid'sex [sic]
3 CONT 
3 CONT Entry is on the website, but RL located it (3/7/07) via 'Th
3 CONC e Genealogist' and provided the above transcription.
2 SOUR @S18@
3 NOTE Added RL 16/7/07
1 _UID 5D36A2BC765A4158BF855883EDAABCC28E90
1 CHAN
2 DATE 22 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F12@
1 NOTE @NI57@
0 @NI57@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 16/7/07: I found the following possible marriage entry:
1 CONT 
1 CONT West Ham 4Q 1881, ref 4a 102
1 CONT Hawke, William Henry L
1 CONT Kirkman, Alice
1 CONT <u>Lovelock, Edwin</u>
1 CONT Robson, Elizabeth
1 CONT 
1 CONT However, neither Graham or I can find Edwin in 1881 to 'tes
1 CONC t' this - or any other - hypothesis about a marriage.
0 @BI57@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 16/7/07: Date and place of birth originally from 1861 ce
1 CONC nsus.
0 @I58@ INDI
1 NAME Thomas /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Thomas
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 CHR
2 DATE 30 Jul 1810
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Baptisms, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1810 July 30 Thomas son of Thos & Olive Lovelock
2 SOUR @S3@
1 BURI
2 DATE 3 Oct 1810
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Burials, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1810 Oct 3 Thomas Lovelock 
5 CONT Also in Hampshire Burial Index (provided by Robert Sterry)
5 CONC : 1810 Oct 3 Thomas Lovelock
2 SOUR @S3@
2 NOTE @XI58@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID F6A3745BCD954B2BB3DEBC0696CF182333A0
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F11@
0 @XI58@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 21/6/07: Assumed to be 'this' Thomas L, due to baptism o
1 CONC f another Thomas of the same parents in 1817.
0 @I59@ INDI
1 NAME Sarah /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Sarah
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 CHR
2 DATE 18 Sep 1814
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Baptisms, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1814 Sept 18 Sarah Daughter of Thomas & Olive Lovelocke Abo
5 CONC de In Saint George's Street Winchester Laborer
2 SOUR @S3@
1 BURI
2 DATE 12 Feb 1818
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Burials, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1818 Feb 12 Sarah Lovelock St Georges St 3yrs 6 mths 
5 CONT Also in Hampshire Burial Index (provided by Robert Sterry):
5 CONT 1818 Feb 12 Sarah Lovelock 3
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 6CE28A43F9E643D2A64C76D4119AC4E49E29
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F11@
0 @I60@ INDI
1 NAME Thomas /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Thomas
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 CHR
2 DATE 2 Nov 1817
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Baptisms, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1817 Nov 2 Thomas son of Thomas & Olive Lovelock Abode in S
5 CONC t Georges Street Laborer
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 PAGE agreed transcription (of 1881 entry) added RL 27-Jun-07
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S19@
2 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
3 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT 28 St Georges Street
3 CONT HO107 1674  F33  P27
3 CONT 
3 CONT Walter household
3 CONT ……………
3 CONT 
3 CONT Hannah Wake;Head;W;69;Pauper formerly Laundress;Hampshire
3 CONC , Kingsclere
3 CONT <u>Mary Lovelock</u>;Servant;U;30;Washerwoman & Servant;Ham
3 CONC pshire, Winchester
3 CONT Maria Raymond;Visitor;;10;Scholar;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT Emma Beale;Visitor;;4;Scholar;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT <u>Walter Lovelock</u>;Son;;2;;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT 
3 CONT Head household
3 CONT ……………
3 CONT 
3 CONT James Southwell;Head;M;28;Labourer (Bricklayer);Hampshire
3 CONC , Wyke<b> </b>[sic]
3 CONT Caroline Southwell;Wife;M;29;Laundress;Somersetshire, Frome
3 CONT <u>Thomas Lovelock</u>;Visitor;U;35;Labourer (Bricklayer);H
3 CONC ampshire, Winchester
3 CONT <i>
3 CONT There appear to have been 4 separate households living at 2
3 CONC 8 St Georges Street, two of which included Lovelocks.
3 CONT </i>
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S14@
1 _UID 9C5FA9BF2697440D86D85AFEFF858ED9124E
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F11@
1 NOTE @NI60@
0 @NI60@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 27/6/07: Could <i><u>possibly</i></u> be the Thomas L ag
1 CONC ed 68 [sic - i.e. implies born 1812/13], born 'Winchester
1 CONC ' in the following 1881 entry, (Ancestry and LDS transcript
1 CONC ions){*}:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Newington, Surrey
1 CONT St Saviours Union Infirmary, Westmoreland Road
1 CONT RG11 0550  F28  P23
1 CONT 
1 CONT Among a list of pauper inmates:
1 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Pauper;W;68;General Labourer;Hampshire, Win
1 CONC chester
1 CONT 
1 CONT <i>Possibly Thomas, bap 1817, son of Thomas L and Olive Mat
1 CONC ton
1 CONT </i>
1 CONT 
1 CONT He was in Winchester, unmarried, in 1851 (aged 35, in South
1 CONC well household), but we have not (otherwise) located him i
1 CONC n subsequent censuses; nor do we have any data concernin
1 CONC g a possible marriage or his death. We do have a Thomas L d
1 CONC eath in Winchester RD apart from those of Olive's husband a
1 CONC nd their son (bap and bur 1810) - 4Q 1863 2c 59. This is pr
1 CONC esently allocated to Thomas son of Thomas L and Mary Child
1 CONC s (bap 10 Aug 1788), who m'd Martha Unknown (Compton tree
1 CONC ) and who appears with inconsistent ages in 1841 (52), 185
1 CONC 1 (65) and 1861 (73), but he 'should' have been 93 in 1881
1 CONC . Thomas in the 1881 (Newington/"Southwark" entry) being sh
1 CONC own as 68 suggests he's probably <i>neither</i> of the Thom
1 CONC as sons of Thomas and Olive. However, the age transcribed a
1 CONC s 68 <i>could</i> {I've not viewed an image} be 63; alterna
1 CONC tively it <i>could</i> just possibly be 93, in which case t
1 CONC his <i>could</i> be Thomas b 1788 (currently progenitor o
1 CONC f the Compton tree), with the 1863 death (see above) bein
1 CONC g that of this Thomas (i.e. bap 1817). However, there's muc
1 CONC h less of an age discrepancy if Thomas bap 1817 married som
1 CONC eone, some time, somewhere and ended up in Newington Infirm
1 CONC ary!
1 CONT 
1 CONT {*} I've sometimes referred to the above 1881 entry loosel
1 CONC y (and misleadingly?) as "Thomas in <i><u>Southwark</i></u
1 CONC > 1881". And in fact Genuki reports:
1 CONT NEWINGTON REGISTRATION DISTRICT
1 CONT Registration County : London.
1 CONT Created : 1.7.1837 (sometimes "St. Mary Newington" in earl
1 CONC y listings).
1 CONT Abolished : 1.1.1870 (succeeded by St. Saviour Southwark di
1 CONC strict).
1 CONT The latter was in turn:
1 CONT Abolished : 1.4.1901 (succeeded by Southwark district).
1 CONT 
1 CONT We have, however, captured a Thomas L b Winchester (abt 180
1 CONC 1/2) in Southwark (in 1851). GL 16/3/07: "38 Mint Street, .
1 CONC .. ... some kind of lodging house, with 45 lodgers. Thoma
1 CONC s was recorded as 49 ..., a Widower, a Labourer born in Win
1 CONC chester. Ref RG10 602 F30 P53."
1 CONT RL: "Presumably not the same man, as we assume we've captur
1 CONC ed Thomas bap Nov 1817 in Winchester in 1851 (albeit with s
1 CONC tated age 35) - unless there's an error with one or other a
1 CONC ge!"
0 @I61@ INDI
1 NAME Mary /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Mary
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 CHR
2 DATE 24 Sep 1820
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Baptisms, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1820 Sept 24 Mary Dtr of Thomas & Olive Lovelock St George'
5 CONC s St Labourer
2 SOUR @S3@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 PAGE descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq
2 QUAY 3
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1841
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT St Georges<b> </b>Street
3 CONT HO107 409/9  F10  P14
3 CONT 
3 CONT Thomas Lovelock;60;Colemarchant [sic];Hampshire
3 CONT John Lovelock;25;Porter;Hampshire
3 CONT Mary Lovelock;20;;Hampshire
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S15@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Swithin, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Swithin
3 CONT St Swithins Street
3 CONT RG9 692  F62  P19
3 CONT 
3 CONT Arnold Royle;Head;W;62;Parish Clerk;Wilts, Donhead
3 CONT Mary Lovelock;Servant;U;40;Housekeeper;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT 
3 CONT Mary's son Walter was elsewhere in the City (qv).
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S17@
1 _UID 835D48A02BD2464CA8C0936B9BF058D373ED
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F13@
1 FAMC @F11@
1 NOTE @NI61@
0 @NI61@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 21/6/07: <i>{Transferred the italicised part of the foll
1 CONC owing note from the previous HTML version of the tree and a
1 CONC dded the remainder.}
1 CONT 
1 CONT Mary was still alive and single in 1861, but no trace of he
1 CONC r</i> has been found <i>in 1871</i>. <i>FreeBMD has no rele
1 CONC vant death entry. She may be one of the Marys who married i
1 CONC n</i> Winchester RD in 1Q <i>1866</i>, ref 2c 143; or in th
1 CONC e same RD in 3Q <i>1869</i>, ref 2c 17.{**} Mary E Loveloc
1 CONC k born abt 1847 is another candidate for these marriage ent
1 CONC ries, as are both Mary L bap Compton 4 July 1824 and Mar
1 CONC y L b 2Q 1845 in St Cross (both in the Compton tree).
1 CONT 
1 CONT {**} The IGI has: 'Marriage Joseph Gaiger and Mary Loveloc
1 CONC k 26 July 1869 Saint Thomas, Winchester'. BMDIndex has 'mat
1 CONC ching' marriage entries Winchester RD 3Q 1869, ref 2c 172 f
1 CONC or a Mary Lovelock and a Joseph Gaiger (see my email 6/2/0
1 CONC 7 22:00). I don't think I searched Winchester St Thomas PR
1 CONC s as 'late' as 1869 on my July 2006 visit to Hants RO, a
1 CONC s I was specifically looking for Lovelocks at the beginnin
1 CONC g of the H-to-H tree.
1 CONT The other names on the page in the FreeBMD entry for the 1
1 CONC Q 1866 marriage are Edward Betts, George Bishop, and Jane O
1 CONC borne.
0 @I62@ INDI
1 NAME Walter /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Walter
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1848
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 3Q 1848 in Winchester RD, ref 7 257
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 21/6/07: Full page ref. added - the BMDIndex image is re
4 CONC asonably clear, whereas FreeBMD's is not
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 SOUR @S18@
2 SOUR @S19@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Jun 1887
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 2Q 1887 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 65
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT 28 St Georges Street
3 CONT HO107 1674  F33  P27
3 CONT 
3 CONT Walter household
3 CONT ……………
3 CONT 
3 CONT Hannah Wake;Head;W;69;Pauper formerly Laundress;Hampshire
3 CONC , Kingsclere
3 CONT <u>Mary Lovelock</u>;Servant;U;30;Washerwoman & Servant;Ham
3 CONC pshire, Winchester
3 CONT Maria Raymond;Visitor;;10;Scholar;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT Emma Beale;Visitor;;4;Scholar;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT <u>Walter Lovelock</u>;Son;;2;;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT 
3 CONT Head household
3 CONT ……………
3 CONT 
3 CONT James Southwell;Head;M;28;Labourer (Bricklayer);Hampshire
3 CONC , Wyke<b> </b>[sic]
3 CONT Caroline Southwell;Wife;M;29;Laundress;Somersetshire, Frome
3 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Visitor;U;35;Labourer (Bricklayer);Hampshir
3 CONC e, Winchester
3 CONT <i>
3 CONT There appear to have been 4 separate households living at 2
3 CONC 8 St Georges Street, two of which included Lovelocks.
3 CONT </i>
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S14@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT 1 Sussex Street
3 CONT RG9  691  F92  P1
3 CONT 
3 CONT Isaac Offer;Head;M;40;Grocers Porter;Hants, Chilland [sic]
3 CONT Sarah Offer;Wife;M;39;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Sarah Offer;Daur;;16;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Emma Offer;Daur;;12;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT William Offer;Son;U;17;Chemist's Porter;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Albert Offer;Son;;11;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Boarder;;12;Grocers Porter;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT 
3 CONT Walter's mother Mary was elsewhere in the City (qv).
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S17@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1871
2 PLAC St Maurice, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Maurice
3 CONT 58 Colebrook Street
3 CONT RG10 1210  F105  P31
3 CONT 
3 CONT Charles White;Head;M;74;Bath Chair Proprietor;Hants, Winche
3 CONC ster
3 CONT Charlotte White;Wife;M;55;Cook;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Andrew White;Son;U;24;Chairman;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Charles Dumper;Lodger (Head);M;29;Donkey Driver;Hants, Winc
3 CONC hester
3 CONT Eliza Dumper;Wife;M;34;;Norfolk, Foxley
3 CONT Alice Maude Dumper;Daur;;2;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Henry Charles Dumper;Son;;5m;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Lodger;U;22;Labourer in Straw Hat Factory;H
3 CONC ants, Winchester
2 SOUR @S18@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
1 _UID A7BACABF21994CBD9F49F518C2275BD1B702
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F14@
1 FAMC @F13@
0 @I63@ INDI
1 NAME Mary /Richards/
2 GIVN Mary
2 SURN Richards
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1851
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1851 in Winchester RD, ref 7 293
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE Added RL 21/6/07
2 SOUR @S19@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1887
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death in 3Q 1887 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 65
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 2ED9D73A72ED44E88ECE0731AEF0DAA958B8
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMS @F14@
0 @I64@ INDI
1 NAME Ernest Edward Walter /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Ernest Edward Walter
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1874
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1874 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 106
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S21@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID BF4BF45B44BD46EEAA86B20C161ADF16A191
1 CHAN
2 DATE 22 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F15@
1 FAMC @F14@
0 @I65@ INDI
1 NAME Elizabeth Jane /Bassett/
2 GIVN Elizabeth Jane
2 SURN Bassett
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1877
2 PLAC Southampton, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1877 in South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 66
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S21@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 445E04CF634740AD91D7A2EF00FE10DBEE98
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMS @F15@
0 @I66@ INDI
1 NAME John Charles H /Lovelock/
2 GIVN John Charles H
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Jul 1900
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Birth in Jul 1900 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 128
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S21@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S22@
1 SOUR @S3@
1 _UID 37054EDFC53646C1B8483E9288D670535C40
1 CHAN
2 DATE 4 Jul 2007
1 FAMC @F15@
0 @I67@ INDI
1 NAME William /Butler/
2 GIVN William
2 SURN Butler
1 SEX M
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 _UID 8EE99AD14D825149B113C7D97C286249FEE6
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:20
1 FAMS @F16@
0 @I68@ INDI
1 NAME George /Phillis/
2 GIVN George
2 SURN Phillis
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1814-1815
2 PLAC North Waltham, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S17@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death registration (qv)
3 QUAY 3
2 NOTE @BI68@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1892
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Death in 1Q 1892 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 102
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE Died in same quarter as wife Eliza; we have no info. re. or
4 CONC der of deaths.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Phillis, George (77)
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE See especially emails 2/15 July 2006.
1 _UID 9A1434A1A0423648B3796E68C299C5EFF49A
1 CHAN
2 DATE 22 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F17@
0 @BI68@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 4/7/07: 'Best fit" to varied data relevant to calculatin
1 CONC g year of birth.
0 @I69@ INDI
1 NAME Eliza /Unknown/
2 GIVN Eliza
2 SURN Unknown
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Bet 1812 and 1814
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Death registration (qv)
3 QUAY 3
2 NOTE @BI69@
1 DEAT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1892
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Death in 1Q 1892 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 102
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE Died in same quarter as husband George; we have no info. re
4 CONC . order of deaths.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Phillis, Eliza (78)
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE See especially emails 2/15 July 2006.
1 _UID 529F01B74766164C9497EA4E3CDCE2233836
1 CHAN
2 DATE 22 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F17@
0 @BI69@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 4/7/07: 'Best fit" to varied data relevant to calculatin
1 CONC g year of birth; stated place of birth varies among censu
1 CONC s entries.
0 @I70@ INDI
1 NAME Katharina /Konradt/
2 GIVN Katharina
2 SURN Konradt
1 NAME Kathleen [or Kathe] //
2 GIVN Kathleen [or Kathe]
2 SURN 
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1865-1866
2 PLAC Kreusnach, Germany
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S21@
2 NOTE @BI70@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 NOTE GL/RL email exchange 1/4 Feb 2007.
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
1 _UID 8FB3B8F07BF5D74A964907C6F0DADD623019
1 CHAN
2 DATE 31 Aug 2007
3 TIME 19:20
1 FAMS @F18@
0 @BI70@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07: Date and place of birth from 1891 and 1901 cens
1 CONC us entries
0 @I71@ INDI
1 NAME Saptia Elizabeth /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Saptia Elizabeth
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Mar 1893
2 PLAC Chislehurst, Kent, England
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in Bromley RD 1Q 1893, ref 2a 456
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 20/6/07: Graham and I agree that this entry is Walter an
4 CONC d Katherina's daughter Elizabeth, but we differ over the re
4 CONC ading of her first name in the image. See note to birth fo
4 CONC r more details.
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, Saptia Elizabeth
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE Especially 1/4 Feb 2007.
2 SOUR @S21@
2 NOTE @BI71@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S4@
2 NOTE GL/RL email exchange 1/4 Feb 2007.
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 23 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F18@
0 @BI71@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07 Approx. dob from 1901 census, then via GRO sourc
1 CONC es.
1 CONT [Originally in my email 2/2/07 to GL]: "The [GRO Index] ima
1 CONC ge [viewed via BMDIndex and FreeBMD] is a bit fuzzy, especi
1 CONC ally on 'Saptia' ... ... which is not a name I recall eve
1 CONC r hearing before ... ... and it's definitely not 'Sophia'
1 CONC . ... I put 'saptia' into Google and came up with enough ex
1 CONC amples to convince me it was entirely plausible, e.g. in th
1 CONC e life story of someone who I'll anonymise here: 'My secon
1 CONC d wife, Saptia Merrill, had four children, ten grandchildre
1 CONC n and five great grandchildren. My wife, Jane Stoker, who n
1 CONC ow lives, has eleven children, and twenty grandchildren. M
1 CONC y total posterity is 351 at the present time.'  And Chisleh
1 CONC urst was in Bromley RD of course."
1 CONT Graham's response (3/02): " 'Sapha', as Free BMD has it, se
1 CONC ems a better interpretation of what's in the image than 'Sa
1 CONC ptia', but since neither appears anywhere in 1901 it's a mo
1 CONC ot point."
1 CONT RL 4/2: "... ... I've now viewed the image using every avai
1 CONC lable format via FreeBMD and couldn't distinguish amongst t
1 CONC hem - often I've found one is clearer than another - nor fr
1 CONC om that I'd viewed previously via BMDIndex. I still <i>marg
1 CONC inally</i> favour 'Saptia', partly via comparison with th
1 CONC e 'th' in 'Martha' nearby {see further comments below**} an
1 CONC d partly because of finding a few examples of the use of th
1 CONC e name - which I could not for 'Sapha', not for girls anywa
1 CONC y; that said, people can be called almost anything! But i
1 CONC n the end I don't think it's possible to resolve this; a mo
1 CONC ot point, as you say."
1 CONT ** "The top parts of the relevant letters are indistinct
1 CONC . I just think the bottoms of each vertical part of the 'h
1 CONC ' in 'Martha' are pretty much identical, whereas the equiva
1 CONC lents in 'Sap??a' look to be parts of different letters. I
1 CONC n some ways this is 'clearer' at 'low' magnification (82%)
1 CONC ; if one magnifies in the hope of being able to see more cl
1 CONC early one comes up against issues of the combination of typ
1 CONC ewriter/ink/paper - and the passage of time etc. Anyway, a
1 CONC s you say, we don't have anything else with the name, so ..
1 CONC ....... I did try searching FreeBMD for a poss. marriage 19
1 CONC 10 onwards, using both variants and plain Elizabeth; nothin
1 CONC g. Not worth the time to search BMDIndex with no further cl
1 CONC ues to narrow it down."
0 @I72@ INDI
1 NAME Rose Emma /Butler/
2 GIVN Rose Emma
2 SURN Butler
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Dec 1877
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in 4Q 1877 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 95
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE Added RL 25/6/07
3 DATA
4 TEXT Butler, Rose Emma
2 NOTE @BI72@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S19@
2 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
2 QUAY 3
2 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
3 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 22 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F16@
0 @BI72@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 25/6/07: Place and approx. date of birth from 1881 censu
1 CONC s. GRO entry gives quarter and yields second given name. Fr
1 CONC eeBMD suggests no alternative Rose, b Winchester RD.
0 @I73@ INDI
1 NAME Elizabeth Eliza /Butler/
2 GIVN Elizabeth Eliza
2 SURN Butler
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE Abt Sep 1880
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Birth in 3Q 1880 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 102
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE Added RL 25/6/07
3 DATA
4 TEXT Butler, Elizabeth Eliza
2 NOTE @BI73@
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S19@
2 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
2 QUAY 3
2 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
3 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 22 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F16@
0 @BI73@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 25/6/07: Place of birth from 1881 census. Stated age
1 CONC d 6 months in census (3 April), implying born Sept/Oct 1880
1 CONC ; GRO entry supports "abt Sep" and yields second given name
1 CONC . FreeBMD suggests no alternative Elizabeth, b Winchester R
1 CONC D.
0 @I74@ INDI
1 NAME Thomas /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Thomas
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1743-1744
2 NOTE @BI74@
1 BURI
2 DATE 18 Feb 1827
2 PLAC Broomhill, Otterbourne, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: Given that the heading to the extracted Twyfor
4 CONC d Burials on the Lovelock website reads "Twyford Burials 16
4 CONC 26-1852 (Modern Transcript) Also MIs.", and that BroomHil
4 CONC l is stated as being in the 'Parish of Otterbourn' [sic], i
4 CONC t may be that this specific entry is from the MIs. Hampshir
4 CONC e Burial Index also records the event: 1827 Feb 18 Thomas L
4 CONC ovelock 83.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1827 Feb 18 Thomas Lovelock at Broom Hill in Parish of Otte
5 CONC rbourn 83
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Especially exchanges 26/6/07 - 12/7/07 (involving James too
3 CONC ).
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F19@
1 NOTE @NI74@
0 @NI74@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 13/7/07: Twyford extracts on the Lovelock website (mostl
1 CONC y PRs from a Modern Transcript, plus IGI and MI entries) in
1 CONC dicate that Thomas b abt 1779 - hitherto our progenitor o
1 CONC f the Hants-to-Hereford tree - had several siblings. We als
1 CONC o have two 1851 census entries (previously included in a ge
1 CONC neral note to Thomas b abt 1779 but now relocated), in on
1 CONC e of which a John Lovelock and in the other a Mary Loveloc
1 CONC k appear; from their ages etc. these persons seem likely t
1 CONC o be a brother and a sister respectively of said Thomas. Fo
1 CONC llowing work by Graham L with the website material mentione
1 CONC d above, and discussion with James L, I have added Thomas a
1 CONC nd Lydia née Carter to the tree as parents of Thomas b ab
1 CONC t 1779; also 6 other offspring of the marriage and such add
1 CONC itional data on them as we have (including the aforemention
1 CONC ed 1851 census entries).
1 CONT 
1 CONT Graham has also constructed the following tree from the ove
1 CONC rall Twyford extracts on the website. As yet we are unabl
1 CONC e to connect Thomas b 1743/4 'back' to it. Should further r
1 CONC esearch on the actual PRs in the Hants Record Office enabl
1 CONC e us to do so, we could possibly add two further generation
1 CONC s to the 'top' of the Hants-to-Hereford tree:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Unknown LOVELOCK
1 CONT + Unknown UNKNOWN
1 CONT John LOVELOCK bur 14 Oct 1724
1 CONT + Anne GATES (bur 29 Aug 1720) m 29 Oct 1706
1 CONT    John LOVELOCK b 12 Dec 1707
1 CONT    Anne LOVELOCK b 4 Feb 1711
1 CONT    + Gilbert BARBER m 14 Feb 1738
1 CONT    Robt LOVELOCK bap 29 Aug 1719, bur 18 Jan 1789
1 CONT    + Mary UNKNOWN bur 18 Jan 1789 (**)
1 CONT William LOVELOCK bur 4 Oct 1740
1 CONT + Anne WAVES (bur 25 Feb 1772) m 18 Sep 1713
1 CONT    Mary LOVELOCK bap 16 Sep 1714
1 CONT    + John ANNELL m 26 Nov 1733
1 CONT    William LOVELOCK bap 29 Jan 1716
1 CONT    Anne LOVELOCK bap 21 Sep 1719, bur 2 Nov 1724
1 CONT Thomas LOVELOCK bap 9 Jun 1723, bur 21 Jun 1723
1 CONT Charity LOVELOCK b 8 Nov 1724
1 CONT Elizabeth LOVELOCK b 4 Jan 1727
1 CONT + William HAUKS m 10 Jun 1744
1 CONT John LOVELOCK b 5 Jan 1730
1 CONT Stephen LOVELOCK b 22 Jan 1733
1 CONT Edward LOVELOCK bur 1 Sep 1727 at Bishopstoke
1 CONT + Mary COWPER (bur 16 Aug 1734 at Bishopstoke) m 10 Oct 1718
1 CONT    Edward LOVELOCK bap 15 Dec 1719 at Bishopstoke
1 CONT    	Mary LOVELOCK bap 23 Nov 1721 at Bishopstoke
1 CONT    	John LOVELOCK bap 15 Apr 1723 at Bishopstoke
1 CONT 
1 CONT (**) Graham 7/7/07 (to the two separate draft trees):
1 CONT "The obvious disappointment ... ... is that there is no obv
1 CONC ious link between the Thomas who married Lydia Carter and t
1 CONC he 3 family groups above. I can see one real possibility, w
1 CONC hich is that the Thomas who married Lydia and, from his dec
1 CONC lared age at his burial, was born in about 1744, might hav
1 CONC e been the son of the Robert who was baptised in 1719. We k
1 CONC now from the burial entry that Robert had a wife Mary, s
1 CONC o a family is a possibility ... ... [but] we do not have ba
1 CONC ptisms of children of Robert and Mary anywhere else in th
1 CONC e county at the right time. There are only 2 other candidat
1 CONC es for Thomas' father I think: John (1707) and William (171
1 CONC 6). However, there being no marriage data for either they s
1 CONC eem less likely than Robert."
0 @BI74@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT Date of birth from stated age at burial.
0 @I75@ INDI
1 NAME Lydia /Carter/
2 GIVN Lydia
2 SURN Carter
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1739-1740
2 NOTE @BI75@
1 BURI
2 DATE 21 Nov 1820
2 PLAC Brambridge, Twyford, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE Hampshire Burial Index also records the event: 1820 Nov 2
4 CONC 1 Lydia Lovelock 80.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1820 Nov 21 Lydia Lovelock at Brambridge in Parish of Twyfo
5 CONC rd 80
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Especially exchanges 26/6/07 - 12/7/07 (involving James too
3 CONC ).
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F19@
0 @BI75@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT Date of birth from stated age at burial.
0 @I76@ INDI
1 NAME Thomas /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Thomas
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 CHR
2 DATE 28 Dec 1772
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: Also in the IGI - see note to sister Mary's bir
4 CONC th.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1772 Dec 28 Thomas s. Thos & Lydia Lovelock
1 BURI
2 DATE 29 Sep 1778
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: Hants Burial Index has same entry. 
4 CONT No other 'obvious' candidate for the burial despite 'Thomas
4 CONC ' being such a common Lovelock name in the area; Thomas's f
4 CONC ather ruled out on account of the several subsequent childr
4 CONC en of the marriage.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1778 Sep 29 Thomas Lovelock
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Especially exchanges 26/6/07 - 12/7/07 (involving James too
3 CONC ).
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F19@
0 @I77@ INDI
1 NAME John /Lovelock/
2 GIVN John
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 CHR
2 DATE 4 Jan 1774
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1774 Jan 4 John s. Thos. & Lydia Lovelock
1 BURI
2 DATE 6 Oct 1778
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: Hants Burial Index has same entry. 
4 CONT John L who m'd Ann Gates in 1706 is a possible alternativ
4 CONC e candidate for this burial, although he would presumably h
4 CONC ave been aged around 80 at least so is more likely to hav
4 CONC e been the John L buried 14 Oct 1724. There is also the fac
4 CONC t that a second John was born to Thomas and Lydia and bapti
4 CONC sed in 1786. This would seem also to count against other po
4 CONC ssible candidates in John b 2 Dec 1707 (IGI) and John b 173
4 CONC 0, the first of whom is a candiate for the 14 Oct 1724 buri
4 CONC al, along with his father John who m'd Ann Gates, and als
4 CONC o John bap 15 April 1723 at Bishopstoke.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1778 Oct 6 John Lovelock
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Especially exchanges 26/6/07 - 12/7/07 (involving James too
3 CONC ).
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F19@
0 @I78@ INDI
1 NAME Lydia /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Lydia
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 CHR
2 DATE 2 Nov 1775
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1775 Nov 2 Lydia d. Thos & Lydia Lovelock
1 BURI
2 DATE 3 Oct 1778
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: Hants Burial Index has same entry. 
4 CONT Lydia's mother can be ruled out as an alternative candidat
4 CONC e for this burial on account of the several subsequent chil
4 CONC dren of the marriage, including of course a second Lydia ba
4 CONC ptised in 1784.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1778 Oct 3 Lydia Lovelock
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Especially exchanges 26/6/07 - 12/7/07 (involving James too
3 CONC ).
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:14
1 FAMC @F19@
0 @I79@ INDI
1 NAME Mary /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Mary
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 20 Sep 1781
2 SOUR @S6@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: As yet we have no PR entry for Mary's baptism o
4 CONC r birth. On the Lovelock website we have the following re
4 CONC . the IGI entry: "(Birth 1781 Sep 20) Mary (of) Thomas & Ly
4 CONC dia." None of the other children of Thomas and Lydia we hav
4 CONC e identified are stated as having IGI birth or baptism entr
4 CONC ies; Mary alone does not (apparently) appear in the PR.
4 CONT In fact, an on-line IGI search (13/7/07) located baptism en
4 CONC tries for Thomas bap 1772, Lydia bap 1784, and John bap 178
4 CONC 6, as well as Mary's <i>birth</i> 1781. In each case the mo
4 CONC ther is stated as Lydia (no surname) and the IGI has no mar
4 CONC riage of a Thomas L to a Lydia in England.
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Especially exchanges 26/6/06 - 12/7/07 (involving James too
3 CONC ), and in particular 10/12 July 07.
3 CONT Agreed transcription of 1851 census extract originally adde
3 CONC d RL 25-Jun-07 in then note to Thomas b abt 1779; moved her
3 CONC e 13-Jul-07.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT RL 13/7/07: <i>{This note (originally added 25/6/07 as par
3 CONC t of a general note to Thomas L b abt 1779) was moved her
3 CONC e and amended as appropriate.}
3 CONT </i>
3 CONT Graham and I believe that the Mary Lovelock in the followin
3 CONC g 1851 census entry may well be a sister of Thomas b abt 17
3 CONC 79 who m'd Olive Matton.
3 CONT 
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT St Thomas Street
3 CONT HO107 1674  F63  P16
3 CONT 
3 CONT Thomas Deame;Head;W;91;Banker;Berks, Reading
3 CONT C M Deame;Son;M;48[?];Banker;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT C Deame;Daur in Law;M;35;Wife [unclear];Hounduras [sic], WI
3 CONT Fredrick [sic] A Willis;Visitor;U;20[?];Army Officer;Middx
3 CONC , Kensington
3 CONT Mary A Deame;Niece;U;19;;Hants, Bighton
3 CONT A Deame;Niece;U;18;;Hants, Bighton
3 CONT F E Deame;Grand Daur;;7;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT <u>Mary Lovelock</u>;Servant;U;67[?];;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Hugh Pickering [?];Servant;U;38;;Hants, Greywell
3 CONT Mary Palmer;Servant;U;31;;Hants, Wonston
3 CONT Charlotte Clements;Servant;U;30;;Hants, Dummer
3 CONT Rachel Russell;Servant;U;22;;Hants [sic], Brixton I W
3 CONT 
3 CONT There are two evident difficulties, in that Mary L in the a
3 CONC bove entry is stated as aged 67 and born Winchester. Althou
3 CONC gh S&N's transcribers have given her age as 69, which woul
3 CONC d be more helpful to us, I'm convinced by studying the enum
3 CONC erator's style on this and adjacent pages that the figure i
3 CONC n question is a [very ornate] 7; his/her 9s are quite diffe
3 CONC rent and could be nothing else. Twyford village is not fa
3 CONC r distant from Winchester and as Mary was a servant in th
3 CONC e household she perhaps may not have given her details hers
3 CONC elf, which could account for <i>both</i> 'variations'.
3 CONT Moreover, we only have her birth date from the IGI (and I c
3 CONC an't find her in LDS British Vital Records, 2nd Edn). Neith
3 CONC er do there appear to be any other likely Mary Ls around th
3 CONC e Winchester area for the above 1851 entry (see also genera
3 CONC l note), although of course Winchester was a considerable p
3 CONC lace, relatively speaking.
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: See also note to this 'fact' and general note.
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2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F19@
1 NOTE @NI79@
0 @NI79@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 13/7/07: In addition to the claim that this Mary L appea
1 CONC rs in the 1851 census as a servant in Winchester St Thomas
1 CONC , we may speculate whether she was the Mary L recorded a
1 CONC s a Witness to the marriage of her younger sister Lydia t
1 CONC o Aaron Atwood(s) in 1811. She would seem to be the most li
1 CONC kely candidate, along with either her brother Thomas b ab
1 CONC t 1779 or their father Thomas. We have found no record of e
1 CONC ither her marriage or her death before 1811 (or later), eit
1 CONC her of which events may be recorded in a PR somewhere fro
1 CONC m which we have so far not extracted it. However, our failu
1 CONC re to locate her in 1841, and uncertainties around whethe
1 CONC r it <i>is</i> her in the 1851 Winchester St Thomas entry
1 CONC , mean that she could have either married or died before 18
1 CONC 41, if not before 1811.
1 CONT 
1 CONT As Graham pointed out (11/7): "... ... we have a gap in th
1 CONC e Twyford marriages from 1771 to 1811, which might be real
1 CONC , especially as the indication is that there are entries t
1 CONC o cover the period, but it is certainly disappointing if tr
1 CONC ue. There being no Lovelock baptisms after 1786 is consiste
1 CONC nt with the marriage gap I suppose ... ..."
1 CONT 
1 CONT We do have a few Mary Ls in the Compton tree 'accounting' f
1 CONC or several of the available BMD records for the wider area
1 CONC , but among the current 'remainder' from our website extrac
1 CONC ts are a marriage in Winchester St Bartholomew 1809 Jan 1
1 CONC 7 Mary Lovelock and William Lee (Pallot's Marriage Index) a
1 CONC nd a burial in Winchester St Peter Chesil 1820 Oct 29 Mar
1 CONC y Lovelock 34 (Hampshire Burial Index). The former could po
1 CONC ssibly be Mary d Thomas and Lydia; the latter only so if th
1 CONC e stated age at death is 'out' for a birth in 1781 <i>or</i
1 CONC > 1783/4. [The following additional Mary L marriage in Winc
1 CONC hester St Lawrence is no use either here: 1786 Jan 15 Henr
1 CONC y Miles and Mary Lovelock (Phillimore's/Boyd's Marriage Ind
1 CONC ex 1754-1812 - and IGI); perhaps it will become relevant t
1 CONC o us one day!]
1 CONT 
1 CONT If Mary L b 1821 was <b><i>not</b></i> the Witness at her s
1 CONC ister Lydia's wedding in 1811 (see above), who <i>was</i> t
1 CONC hat Mary L? An intriguing speculation is that she <i>might<
1 CONC /i> have been one of the Mary L's in the Compton tree, fo
1 CONC r example Mary née Child(e)s - even that Witness Thomas wa
1 CONC s that Mary L's husband (and presently progenitor of the Co
1 CONC mpton tree). This begs rather than demonstrates a connectio
1 CONC n between these two trees of course.
1 CONT 
1 CONT The foregoing specific bit of speculation by Graham and mys
1 CONC elf (Robin) arose out of my observing that a remarkable num
1 CONC ber of different persons named Carter crop up in PR entrie
1 CONC s involving Lovelocks of the same period in <i>both </i>th
1 CONC e H-to-H and the Compton trees. (Including 8-yr-old Marth
1 CONC a Carter, in Winchester, "near the Wharf", in 1841, with Th
1 CONC omas L bap 10 Aug 1788 at Compton and his wife Martha (Unkn
1 CONC own). Martha (C) could very well be a daughter of Mary né
1 CONC e Lovelock, Thomas's sister, who married William Carter a
1 CONC t Compton on 31 Aug 1826 (see the Compton tree).<i> [24/8/0
1 CONC 7: See also speculation by John Lewis on the Lovelock Lis
1 CONC t 19/8/07.]
1 CONT </i>
1 CONT RL (10/7/07) with GL comments (same date) inserted in caps:
1 CONT "The Charles Lovelock who witnessed the marriage of Thoma
1 CONC s Carter and Sarah Harris (both of Twyford) in 1830 could w
1 CONC ell be the Charles (bap 1800 at Compton - Compton tree) wh
1 CONC o married Mary Ann Cook in 1830. [IN THE APPARENT ABSENCE O
1 CONC F ANY CHARLES IN THE TWYFORD RECORDS BEFORE 1830 I THINK IT
1 CONC 'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY. AS SARAH HARRIS WAS A SPINSTER A REA
1 CONC SONABLE CONJECTURE WOULD BE THAT CHARLES L AND THOMAS CARTE
1 CONC R WERE CONNECTED BY THOMAS BEING A BROTHER-IN-LAW OF CHARLE
1 CONC S' SISTER MARY, AND A SLIGHTLY WILDER CONJECTURE WOULD BE T
1 CONC HAT LYDIA CARTER WOULD BE A GREAT-AUNT OF THOMAS AND WILLIA
1 CONC M CARTER. BUT WAIT - AM I MISSING ANOTHER TRICK - WHO WAS T
1 CONC HE MARY L WHO WITNESSED LYDIA L'S MARRIAGE TO AARON ATWOOD
1 CONC S IN 1811?] Charles son of Charles and Mary Ann was born Tw
1 CONC yford 1833 according to the IGI and gave Twyford as his bir
1 CONC thplace in the 1861, 1871 and 1901 censuses; but he gave S
1 CONC t Cross (where his sister Mary Ann was bap 1837) in 1881 an
1 CONC d Winchester in 1891. The sister of Charles bap 1800 - Mar
1 CONC y (bap Compton 1803) - married William Carter in Compton 18
1 CONC 26 (both stated as of Compton). Thomas Lovelock, father o
1 CONC f Thomas bap 1779 (and until now H-to-H progenitor), of cou
1 CONC rse married Lydia Carter in 1826 (both of Twyford). Compto
1 CONC n and Twyford aren't far apart. ... ... ..."
1 CONT 
1 CONT There is of course no more <i>prima facie </i>justificatio
1 CONC n for assuming that all these Carters were related to eac
1 CONC h other than that all the Lovelocks concerned were.
0 @I80@ INDI
1 NAME Lydia /Lovelock/
2 GIVN Lydia
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX F
1 CHR
2 DATE 1 Jan 1784
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: Also in the IGI - see note to sister Mary's bir
4 CONC th.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1784 Jan 1 Lydia s. [sic]** Thos & Lydia Lovelock 
5 CONT ** Website error or in Modern Transcript? (RL 13/7/07)
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
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1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMS @F20@
1 FAMC @F19@
0 @I81@ INDI
1 NAME John /Lovelock/
2 GIVN John
2 SURN Lovelock
1 SEX M
1 CHR
2 DATE 2 Jan 1786
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: Also in the IGI - see note to sister Mary's bir
4 CONC th.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1786 Jan 2 John s. Thos & Lydia Lovelock
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 SOUR @S13@
2 NOTE Especially exchanges 26/6/06 - 12/7/07 (involving James too
3 CONC ). 
3 CONT Agreed transcription of 1851 census extract originally adde
3 CONC d RL 25-Jun-07 in then note to Thomas b abt 1779; moved her
3 CONC e 13-Jul-07.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC Broomhill, Otterbourne, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT RL 13/7/07: <i>{This note (originally added 25/6/07 as par
3 CONC t of a general note to Thomas L b abt 1779) was moved her
3 CONC e and amended as appropriate.}
3 CONT </i>
3 CONT Graham and I believe that the J Lovelock in the following 1
3 CONC 851 census entry may well be a brother of Thomas b abt 177
3 CONC 9 who m'd Olive Matton:
3 CONT 
3 CONT Otterbourne, Hampshire
3 CONT Broomhill
3 CONT HO107 1675  F161  P31
3 CONT 
3 CONT Aaron Atwood;Head;M;74;Pauper (Hoop Maker);Hants, Bishopsto
3 CONC ke
3 CONT L Atwood;Wife;M;67;Pauper;;Hants, Twyford
3 CONT <u>J Lovelock</u>;Lodger;W;65;Ag Lab;Hants, Twyford
3 CONT R Goodchild;Lodger;W;71;Ag Lab;Hants, Otterbourne
3 CONT 
3 CONT Graham's original argument (see email attachment 16/7/06) w
3 CONC as that Aaron Atwood is the brother-in-law of Thomas L b ab
3 CONC t 1779; the following marriage appears in Twyford PR extrac
3 CONC ts (from a Modern Transcript) on the Lovelock website: 181
3 CONC 1 May 23 Lydia Lovelock from Twyford and Aaron Atwoods fro
3 CONC m Twyford. Wit: Thos Lovelock, Mary Lovelock.
3 CONT 
3 CONT In which case the relevant baptisms are very probably:
3 CONT 1779 Sep 30 Thomas s. Thos & Lydia Lovelock
3 CONT 1784 Jan 1 Lydia s. [sic]** Thos & Lydia Lovelock
3 CONT ** Website error or in Modern Transcript? (RL 13/7/07)
3 CONT 1786 Jan 2 John s. Thos & Lydia Lovelock
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: See also note to this 'fact'.
1 _UID F1FB8C0DAD374C48886754E9E4C353CBEEEF
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 Aug 2007
1 FAMC @F19@
0 @I82@ INDI
1 NAME Aaron /Atwood(s)/
2 GIVN Aaron
2 SURN Atwood(s)
1 SEX M
1 DEAT Y
1 SOUR @S2@
1 _UID 566BB5139B88E14D9E9E85026B0658D339C8
1 CHAN
2 DATE 30 Aug 2007
3 TIME 21:08
1 FAMS @F20@
1 NOTE @NI82@
0 @NI82@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 13/7/07: Surname stated as Atwoods in PR Marriage entry
1 CONC , Atwood in 1851 census (at Broomhill).
0 @F1@ FAM
1 HUSB @I1@
1 WIFE @I2@
1 MARR 
2 SOUR @S4@
3 PAGE descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 NOTE @NF1@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Aldershot, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Note: Frederick Lovelock was not present, since he was at t
3 CONC he Army Hospital Corps Depot Aldershot (see individual entr
3 CONC y for Frederick Lovelock).
3 CONT 
3 CONT Aldershot, Hampshire
3 CONT North Lane Green Gr Shop
3 CONT RG11 782  F101  P21
3 CONT 
3 CONT Mary Ann Russell;Other (Head);W;70;Green Grocer;Wilts, Marl
3 CONC borough
3 CONT Mary Ann Lovelock;Other (Head);M;27;Soldiers wife;Gibraltar
3 CONT John Lovelock;Daur [sic];;2;;Malta
3 CONT Charles Lovelock;Son;;3m;;Hants, Aldershot
3 CONT Mary E Graham;Wife;M;18;Soldier wife;Ireland, …??...
3 CONT Sarah Page;Wife (Head);M;29;Soldier wife;Essex, Marlow
3 CONT Florance [sic] E Page;Daur;;1;Hants, Aldershot
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 27/6/07: The above is a <u>revised transcription, follow
3 CONC ing extensive discussion</u> with Graham 20/25 Feb 2007 o
3 CONC f aspects of the image and LDS/Ancestry transcriptions.
3 CONT 
3 CONT (i) James's rendering in the 5/3/07 gedcom - also currentl
3 CONC y [22/6/07] appearing (same data/slightly different layout
3 CONC ) in the Lovelock website collection Hampshire 1881 Loveloc
3 CONC k entries - was as follows:
3 CONT 
3 CONT Dwelling:    North Lane Green Gr Shop
3 CONT    Census Place:    Aldershot, Hampshire, England
3 CONT    Source:    FHL Film 1341184     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 07
3 CONC 82    Folio 101    Page 21
3 CONT    Marr    Age    Sex    Birthplace
3 CONT Mary Ann LOVELOCK    M    27    F     Gibraltar
3 CONT    Rel:    Other (Head)
3 CONT    Occ:    Soldiers Wife
3 CONT Ann LOVELOCK                    2     F     ...
3 CONT    Rel:    Daur
3 CONT Charles LOVELOCK              3 m  M    Aldershot, Hampshir
3 CONC e, England
3 CONT    Rel:    Son
3 CONT Mary H. GRAHAM         M    18     F     ..., Ireland
3 CONT    Rel:    Wife
3 CONT    Occ:    Soldier Wife
3 CONT 
3 CONT (ii) Graham's previous transcription in the collection comp
3 CONC iled to support this tree:
3 CONT 
3 CONT North Lane Green Gr Shop, Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT RG11 782 F101 P21
3 CONT Mary Ann Russell W (sic) 70 Green Grocer Marlborough, Wilts
3 CONT Mary Ann Lovelock Head 27 Soldiers wife Gibraltar
3 CONT John Lovelock Daur(sic) 2 Malta
3 CONT Charles Lovelock Son 3m Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT Mary E Graham Wife 18 Soldiers wife Ireland …..(?)
3 CONT Sarah Page Wife 29 Soldiers wife Marlow, Essex
3 CONT Florance E Page Daur 1 Aldershot, Hants
3 CONT 
3 CONT (iii) Additional material extracted by RL from the LDS CD-R
3 CONC OM, where 3 'separate' 'households'(?) are shown, each wit
3 CONC h the same address and other reference details cited:
3 CONT 
3 CONT [preceding the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham]
3 CONT Mary Ann RUSSELL      W    70    F     Marlborough, Wiltshi
3 CONC re, England
3 CONT    Rel: Other (Head)
3 CONT    Occ: Green Grocer
3 CONT 
3 CONT ....... 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham as per James's transcri
3 CONC ption above ........
3 CONT 
3 CONT [following the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham]
3 CONT Sarah PAGE                 M    29    F     Marlow, Essex
3 CONC , England
3 CONT    Rel: Wife (Head)
3 CONT    Occ: Soldier Wife
3 CONT Florence E. PAGE                1     F      Aldershot, Ham
3 CONC pshire, England
3 CONT    Rel: Daur
3 CONT 
3 CONT <u>Discussion</u>:
3 CONT G 20/2: "The 2 year old child may well have been Ann, and i
3 CONC s certainly indicated as 'Daur'. However, I am adamant tha
3 CONC t the Enumerator has written 'John' as the name. There are
3 CONC , of course, two examples of 'Ann' written immediately abov
3 CONC e it, and whilst they are identical in form to each other (
3 CONC one being slightly smaller) they are nothing like the child
3 CONC 's name. I have included the details of everyone who was li
3 CONC ving in the Greengrocer's shop, as indicated by 'do' entrie
3 CONC s in the address column, whilst diagonal strokes from the E
3 CONC numerator to the left of the names indicate members of 4 'f
3 CONC amilies' as you would expect from the surnames. The last ch
3 CONC ild recorded might have had the name Florence, but the Enum
3 CONC erator has written it as Florance. HOWEVER, a further lengt
3 CONC hy pondering over the script does lead to one change. The E
3 CONC numerator has not recorded anybody as being the Head of th
3 CONC e household. What I and the LDS transcribers took to be 'He
3 CONC ad' against Mary Ann Lovelock is actually 'Mar', although i
3 CONC n that column has been added a 'W' to both Mary Ann entries
3 CONC . In the 'Relation to Head of Family' column there is again
3 CONC st both Mary Anns a letter which might be a 'U' a 'W' or a
3 CONC n 'M'. Since Mary Ann Lovelock, who's the only adult here w
3 CONC e're really interested in, is clearly listed as a Soldier'
3 CONC s Wife the two W's, or even the one if the other is an M, m
3 CONC ake no sense at all."
3 CONT 
3 CONT R 21/2: "(i) Re. John/Ann, Daur etc: the 1901 Sholing entr
3 CONC y would suggest that 'Daur' rather than 'John' is the mor
3 CONC e likely error in the 1881 would it not? (I mean that to b
3 CONC e a judgement on balance with regard to other data we have
3 CONC , rather than simply a 'preferential' reading of one entr
3 CONC y vs another!) Ages given seem to fit rather well as betwee
3 CONC n the two years - or am I missing something? I note Malta/G
3 CONC ibraltar variation re. Mary Ann's birthplace and that the H
3 CONC -to-H tree 'as is' has the latter. ...........
3 CONT (ii) James ...... seems: (a) to've taken the LDS transcript
3 CONC ion pretty much at face value - especially as regards 3 rat
3 CONC her than 4 households/families, although that could be a sl
3 CONC ip on the transcriber's part given your observation re. th
3 CONC e 'diagonal strokes'; (b) only to've included the Loveloc
3 CONC k household (taken, rightly or wrongly, to include Mary E (
3 CONC or H!) Graham). (Malta as Ann/John's birthplace is also mis
3 CONC sing from the LDS version.)
3 CONT (iii) I think the Enumerator may've been trying to make sen
3 CONC se of a complicated multi-family/multi-'household' (as defi
3 CONC ned for enumeration purposes) set-up, and to render sensibl
3 CONC y and at the same time marital status, <i>de facto</i> Hof
3 CONC H status (with absentee soldier husbands/fathers), and 'rea
3 CONC l' HofH (i.e. Head of Family as and when present) status. I
3 CONC n that context and with other possible 'issues' involved, s
3 CONC /he understandably perhaps used 'W' for Wife in places as w
3 CONC ell as (maybe) for Widow - which (lacking other data that I
3 CONC 'm aware of) Mary Ann Russell and even Mary E (or H) Graha
3 CONC m could have been."
3 CONT <i>{This interpretation implicitly/broadly agreed by GL.}
3 CONT </i>
3 CONT R 23/2: "...... could you kindly recheck the image you hav
3 CONC e access to re. 'Mary E'/'Mary H' ........"
3 CONT G 23/2: "As it happens there are three other capital aitche
3 CONC s on the page, which are differently formed from the lette
3 CONC r in Mary Graham's name. There are also seven capital eee
3 CONC s which are similar to, but different to that mysterious le
3 CONC tter. However, there are more similarities in the letter t
3 CONC o one of the eees, in the form of two loops, that this poss
3 CONC ibly over-rides the existence of a third loop, and an addit
3 CONC ional vertical stroke to the left which is what led me to t
3 CONC hink it was an aitch. Suggest in summary that we go with a
3 CONC n eeee."
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchang
4 CONC e 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see no
4 CONC te.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1891
2 PLAC Hound, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Hound, Hampshire
3 CONT 19 School Road
3 CONT RG12 923  F79  P21
3 CONT 
3 CONT Frederick Lovelock;Head;M;37;Coal Porter;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Mary Ann Lovelock;Wife;M;36;Shirt Maker;Malta
3 CONT John A G S Lovelock;Son;Scholar;12;;Malta
3 CONT Charles Lovelock;Son;;9;Scholar;Hants, Aldershot
3 CONT Mary Ann E Lovelock;Daur;;3m;;Hants, Sholing
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 28/6/07: See email discussion with Graham concerning Hou
3 CONC nd/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. whi
3 CONC ch is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; rel
3 CONC evant to this entry and to the 1901s for Frederick and Mar
3 CONC y Ann and for their son John (by then married) and his fami
3 CONC ly. Agreed transcription above.
3 CONT 
3 CONT Extracts previously shown:
3 CONT 
3 CONT Supplied by Nigel Gerdes 30 Nov 2005:
3 CONT 19 School Rd, Hound, St Mary, Sholing, Southampton
3 CONT Fredrick Lovelock b ca 1854 born Winchester, Coal Porter
3 CONT wife Mary Ann born Malta
3 CONT 
3 CONT Supplied by Graham 12 Feb 2006:
3 CONT FreeCEN record:
3 CONT Piece: RG12/923 Place: South Stoneham-Hampshire Enumeratio
3 CONC n District: 10
3 CONT Civil Parish: Hound Ecclesiastical Parish: Sholing
3 CONT Folio: 79 Page: 21 Schedule: 125
3 CONT Address: 19 School Road
3 CONT Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where B
3 CONC orn Remarks
3 CONT LOVELOCK Frederick Head M M 37 Coal Porter(Em'ee) Hampshir
3 CONC e - Winchester
3 CONT LOVELOCK Mary Ann Wife M F 36 Shirt Maker(Em'ee) Oversea
3 CONC s - British - Malta
3 CONT LOVELOCK John A.B.S. Son - M 12 Scholar Overseas - Britis
3 CONC h - Malta
3 CONT LOVELOCK Charles Son - M 9 Scholar Hampshire - Aldershot
3 CONT LOVELOCK Mary Ann E. Daur - F 3m Hampshire - Sholing
2 SOUR @S9@
3 PAGE email correspondence 30-Nov-05
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extrac
4 CONC t including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.
2 SOUR @S4@
3 PAGE email message 12-Feb-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
4 CONT See email exchange 9/13 March 2007.
2 SOUR @S20@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1901
2 PLAC Sholing, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Sholing, Hampshire
3 CONT Middle Road
3 CONT RG13 1063  F67  P3
3 CONT 
3 CONT Frederick Lovelock;Head;M;49;Ships Cook;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Mary A Lovelock;Wife;M;47;Malta (British Subject)
3 CONT Mary A Lovelock;Daur;;10;;Hants, Sholing
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 28/6/07: See email discussion with Graham concerning Hou
3 CONC nd/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. whi
3 CONC ch is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; rel
3 CONC evant to this entry, the 1891 for Frederick and Mary Ann, a
3 CONC nd the 1901 for their son John (by then married) and his fa
3 CONC mily. Agreed transcription above.
3 CONT 
3 CONT Presumably this from Nigel Gerdes 30-Nov-05:
3 CONT "At Sholing but now a Ship's cook. Wife born Malta (Britis
3 CONC h Subject)"
3 CONT 
3 CONT Graham Lovelock, e-mail 26-Jan-06:
3 CONT 
3 CONT Middle Rd, Sholing RG13 1063 F67 P3
3 CONT 
3 CONT Frederick Lovelock Head 49 Ships Cook Winchester, Hants
3 CONT Mary A Lovelock Wife 47 Malta (British Subject)
3 CONT Mary A Lovelock Daur 10 Sholing, Hants
2 SOUR @S9@
3 PAGE email message 30-Nov-05
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S4@
3 PAGE email message 26-Jan-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
4 CONT See email exchange 9/13 March 2007.
2 SOUR @S21@
1 CHIL @I3@
1 CHIL @I4@
1 CHIL @I5@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF1@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT Family detail from the 1891 and 1901 censuses. Suspect th
1 CONC e two oldest children may be from a previous marriage of Ma
1 CONC ry Ann's.
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 16/6/07: The above note has been entered from the earlie
1 CONC r HTML version of the tree; the speculation may therefore h
1 CONC ave been Graham's - or it may have been associated with 'Fr
1 CONC agment 6' ('the Wesmill tree') - although in fact both Joh
1 CONC n and Charles are shown there as born in Aldershot (in 1878
1 CONC /9 and 1880/1 respectively) - or it may emanate from discus
1 CONC sion around merging the latter with Graham's initial versio
1 CONC n of the Hants-to-Hereford tree . However that may be, addi
1 CONC tional data now seems to have 'overtaken' the conjecture. G
1 CONC iven the 1881 entry - or rather entries - Frederick and Mar
1 CONC y Ann seem to have been married by early 1881 at the latest
1 CONC , and Charles's birth fits with a relatively recent marriag
1 CONC e around then. John, however, could still have been born i
1 CONC n Malta, <i>and</i> fathered by Frederick, in or out of wed
1 CONC lock; it seems a reasonable assumption that Frederick, a
1 CONC s a soldier, served in Malta and met his future wife there.
0 @F2@ FAM
1 HUSB @I3@
1 WIFE @I6@
1 MARR 
2 DATE Abt Dec 1899
2 PLAC Fulham RD, London, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Marriage in 4Q 1899 in Fulham RD, ref 1a 499
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT Names on page: 
5 CONT Anstead, Henry George
5 CONT Butler, Florence
5 CONT Clark, Elizabeth
5 CONT Lovelock, John Alfred G S
2 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1901
2 PLAC Sholing, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Sholing, Hampshire
3 CONT <b>
3 CONT </b>14 Loane Road
3 CONT RG13 1063  F102  P31
3 CONT 
3 CONT John Lovelock;Head;M;24;Marine<b>r</b> Merchant Service;Mal
3 CONC ta (British Subject)
3 CONT Florence Lovelock;Wife;M;25;;London, Hammersmith
3 CONT Richard Lovelock;Son;;1m;;Hants, Sholing
3 CONT Minnie Butler;Sist in law;;26;Housemaid domestic;London, Fu
3 CONC lham
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 28/6/07: See email discussion with Graham concerning Hou
3 CONC nd/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. whi
3 CONC ch is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; rel
3 CONC evant to this entry and to the 1891 and 1901 for John's par
3 CONC ents Frederick and Mary Ann. Agreed transcription above.
3 CONT 
3 CONT Previous entry shown - from Nigel Gerdes 1-Dec-05:
3 CONT 
3 CONT 14 Loane Rd, Sholing
3 CONT John Lovelock born ca 1877 Malta (British subject), Marine
3 CONC r Merchant Services,
3 CONT Wife Florence born ca 1876 Hammersmith, London,
3 CONT son Richard Lovelock age 1 month born Sholing.
3 CONT Also with them (how helpful!) Sister in Law - Minnie Batte
3 CONC r ca b 1875 Fulham (Single).
2 SOUR @S9@
3 PAGE email message 1-Dec-05
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S21@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
4 CONT See email exchange 9/13 March 2007.
1 CHIL @I7@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F3@ FAM
1 HUSB @I4@
1 WIFE @I8@
1 MARR 
2 DATE 1 Mar 1902
2 PLAC Dunedin, New Zealand
2 SOUR @S23@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S7@
3 NOTE RL 16/6/07: RL 16/6/06: above text taken from website entr
4 CONC y rather than being put in 'usual' (GRO) format.
4 CONT NZ BMDs on Lovelock website only include Charles; we have s
4 CONC pecific date and name of spouse (albeit as Elizabeth <u>Cat
4 CONC hleen</u>) from 'Fragment 6'.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1902 LOVELOCK Charles William 5908 Marriage
2 NOTE @NF3@
1 CHIL @I9@
1 CHIL @I13@
1 CHIL @I14@
1 CHIL @I15@
1 CHIL @I22@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF3@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 21/6/07:
1 CONT (i)  'Fragment 6' has a note (presumably ref'ce the marriag
1 CONC e) that "Charles jumped ship".
1 CONT 
1 CONT (ii) The following appeared among notes to the previous HTM
1 CONC L version of this tree:
1 CONT 
1 CONT "Data from the NZ BMDs which could be related to the famil
1 CONC y of Charles LOVELOCK (b 1881/82) and Elizabeth Cathleen [s
1 CONC ic] WALKER:
1 CONT 
1 CONT This death could be that of son Frederick b. 1907, but ther
1 CONC e's no age to confirm this:
1 CONT 1985      LOVELOCK      Frederick Charles      8744      De
1 CONC ath    Dunedin
1 CONT 
1 CONT This birth could be another child of Charles and Elizabet
1 CONC h Cathleen:
1 CONT 1904      LOVELOCK      Charles William        1146      Bi
1 CONC rth   Dunedin   March"
1 CONT 
1 CONT 26/6/07: James, in response to my raising various queries/c
1 CONC hanges concerning Catherine/Cathleen and family, cited an e
1 CONC arlier email he'd sent to Nigel, Graham and Robert "a few m
1 CONC onths after Nigel had proposed the connection between the (
1 CONC then embryonic) Hants-to-Hereford tree and the Wesmill tree
1 CONC " [I assume, therefore, c. Jan 2006]; the two BMDs above we
1 CONC re mentioned in the message as not having been entered in t
1 CONC he data "since they're somewhat uncertain".
0 @F4@ FAM
1 HUSB @I9@
1 WIFE @I10@
1 MARR 
2 SOUR @S3@
1 CHIL @I11@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F5@ FAM
1 HUSB @I11@
1 WIFE @I12@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F6@ FAM
1 HUSB @I15@
1 WIFE @I16@
1 CHIL @I19@
1 CHIL @I20@
1 CHIL @I17@
1 CHIL @I18@
1 CHIL @I21@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F7@ FAM
1 HUSB @I23@
1 WIFE @I24@
1 MARR 
2 DATE Abt Dec 1843
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Marriage in 4Q 1843 in Winchester RD, ref 7 394
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 13-Feb-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 NOTE @NF7@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 11 Cheesehill Street
3 CONT RG9 693  F43  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT John Lovelock;Head;M;50;Bricklayer's Labourer;Hants, Winche
3 CONC ster
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Wife;M;44;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT John T Lovelock;Son;U;16;Porter;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Mary E Lovelock;Daur;;13;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Eliza Lovelock;Daur;;11;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Frederick Lovelock;Son;7;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Kate P [sic] Lovelock;Daur;4;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
2 SOUR @S17@
3 PAGE transcription provided by Graham Lovelock, email message 13-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1871
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 38 Cheesehill Street
3 CONT RG10 1211  F68  P9
3 CONT 
3 CONT John Lovelock;Head;M;60;Labourer;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Wife;M;56;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT John T Lovelock;Son;M;26;Police Officer;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Emma Hall;Boarder;;15;;Hants, Week [sic]
2 SOUR @S18@
3 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email messages 14-Jul-06 and 13-Feb-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC St Peter Cheesehill, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill
3 CONT 38 Cheesehill Street
3 CONT RG11 1233  F6  P11
3 CONT 
3 CONT John Lovelock;Head;M;70;;Hampshire, St Thomas [sic]
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Wife;M;65;;Hampshire, St Hyde [sic]
3 CONT Eliza Lovelock;Daur;U;28;;Hampshire, St Peter Cheesehill [s
3 CONC ic]
2 SOUR @S19@
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
4 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Bartholomew Hyde, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Bartholomew Hyde
3 CONT 39 Hyde Street
3 CONT HO107 1674  F146  P16
3 CONT 
3 CONT John Lovelock;Head;M;39;Bricklayers Labourer;Hants, Winches
3 CONC ter
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Wife;M;34;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT John Lovelock;Son;;6;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Mary Lovelock;Daur;;3;;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Eliza Lovelock;Daur;;1;;Hants, Winchester
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S14@
1 CHIL @I25@
1 CHIL @I47@
1 CHIL @I48@
1 CHIL @I1@
1 CHIL @I49@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF7@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT FreeBMD lists no females on the same page.
0 @F8@ FAM
1 HUSB @I25@
1 WIFE @I26@
1 MARR 
2 DATE 25 Dec 1865
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S8@
3 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, from Hampshire Record Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1865 Dec 25 Marriage (by Banns) John Thomas Lovelock, 21, B
5 CONC achelor, Grocer, (Residence at time of Marriage) Micheldeve
5 CONC r, (Father) John Lovelock, Miller [? - unclear], Susan Phil
5 CONC lis, 24, Spinster, Servant, (Residence at time of Marriage
5 CONC ) Micheldever, (Father) George Phillis, Shoemaker. Both sig
5 CONC ned. Witnesses William Tucker, Emma Phillis
2 SOUR @S6@
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1865 Dec 25 John Thomas Lovelock & Susan Phillis
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Marriage in Winchester RD in 4Q 1865, ref 2c 188
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL: Also on FreeBMD. A pretty swift registration, given th
4 CONC e holiday period(!)
3 DATA
4 TEXT Phillis, Susan 
5 CONT Lovelock, John Thos [separate page/image of course - BMDInd
5 CONC ex]
2 NOTE @NF8@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1871
2 PLAC Romsey, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Romsey (Romsey Extra)
3 CONT Southampton Road
3 CONT RG10 1202  F40  P8
3 CONT 
3 CONT John T Lovelock;Head;M;26;Police Constable;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Susan S Lovelock;Wife;M;29;;Hants, Waltham [sic]
3 CONT George Lovelock;Son;;5;;Hants, Mitcheldever
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Son;3;;Hants, Stockbridge
3 CONT William E Lovelock;Son;;4m;;Hants, Barton Stacey
3 CONT 
3 CONT Note that John T Lovelock was also enumerated in the 1871 c
3 CONC ensus with his parents; in the entry above he is with his w
3 CONC ife and family.
2 SOUR @S18@
3 PAGE transcript provided by Graham Lovelock 26-Jan-06 and by Robin Lovelock 14-Jul-06 and 13-Feb-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CHIL @I27@
1 CHIL @I44@
1 CHIL @I45@
1 CHIL @I46@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF8@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 20/6/07: Graham and I had an exchange 1/4 Feb 2007 conce
1 CONC rning the marriage and family of <u>Walter L b 1867/8 </u>S
1 CONC tockbridge (John T and Susan's second child). In the cours
1 CONC e of this I identified additional birth details for Walte
1 CONC r and his 3 known siblings [we previously only had GRO entr
1 CONC ies (which I confirmed) for George J and William Edward; i.
1 CONC e. no GRO refs for Walter or Kate]. See notes to Walter's b
1 CONC irth for further info.
0 @F9@ FAM
1 HUSB @I27@
1 WIFE @I28@
1 MARR 
2 SOUR @S4@
3 PAGE descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 NOTE @NF9@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1891
2 PLAC Melford, Suffolk, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Melford, Suffolk
3 CONT Cottages by St...?... Wood
3 CONT RG12 1443  F76  P14
3 CONT 
3 CONT George J Lovelock;Head;M;27;Gardener Domestic;Hants, Michla
3 CONC ver [sic]
3 CONT Louisa Lovelock;Wife;M;26;;Hants, Crawley
3 CONT William G Lovelock;Son;;3;;Hants, Crawley
3 CONT Dora F Lovelock;Daur;;2;;Essex, Bardfield [sic]
3 CONT Alfred G Lovelock;Son;;9m;;Suffolk, East Bergold<b> </b>[si
3 CONC c]
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 28/6/07: The above is an agreed retranscription followin
3 CONC g an exchange with Graham 20/23 Feb 2007.
3 CONT I'd at first been unable to locate the entry via S&N/'The G
3 CONC enealogist'; it transpired that 'Lovelock' had been mistran
3 CONC scribed as 'Lowcock' there [leading to my locating quit
3 CONC e a number of further instances of this and advising S&N ac
3 CONC cordingly, for corrections to be made. In my view the image
3 CONC s concerned were relatively clear as regards the surname be
3 CONC ing 'Lovelock'.]
3 CONT Concerning the address for the entry, Graham (22/2/07) repo
3 CONC rted: "With regard to the 'scribble' above the address I co
3 CONC uldn't make out whether it was an Enumerator's afterthough
3 CONC t with respect to the name of the wood, or some other scrib
3 CONC ble that was meaningful only to the Enumerator. I've now re
3 CONC ferred to a map of the area, which I should have done befor
3 CONC e, and I think we can make a reasonable guess, although th
3 CONC e image is still not clear enough to be absolutely sure. Th
3 CONC e next address on the page is 'Kentwell Hall', which is sti
3 CONC ll there. Less than a kilometre away is 'Stanstead Great Wo
3 CONC od', however, looking at the image again although the wor
3 CONC d does appear to start with St I have to say it looks mor
3 CONC e like Steadham than Stanstead."
2 SOUR @S20@
3 PAGE provided by Graham Lovelock, email message 26-Jan-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE Minor revisions Robin Lovelock/Graham Lovelock (see email e
4 CONC xchange Feb 20/23 2007).
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
4 CONT See email exchange Feb 20/23 2007.
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1901
2 PLAC Brockhampton, Herefordshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Brockhampton Entire [Nr Ross], Herefordshire
3 CONT The Lodge
3 CONT RG13 2473  F16/17  P8/9
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Lovelock;Head;M;39;Gardner Domistic [sic];Hants, Mic
3 CONC hildivor [sic]
3 CONT Louise Lovelock;Wife;M;39;;Hants, Crawley
3 CONT William Lovelock;Son;;13;Gardner Domistic [sic];Hants, Craw
3 CONC ley
3 CONT Alfred Lovelock;Son;;10;;Suffock [sic], East Burgholt
3 CONT Fredrick [sic] Lovelock;Son;;8;;Suffolk, Long Melford
3 CONT Lanard [sic] Lovelock;Son;;6;;Rutland, Empingham
3 CONT Ruth Lovelock;Daur;;4;;Rutland, Empingham
3 CONT Winifred Lovelock;Daur;;9m;;Hereford, Brockhampton
3 CONT Eveling [sic] Harris;Ser;;14;Nurse Maid Domestic;Hereford
3 CONC , Woolhope [sic]
3 CONT 
3 CONT RL 28/6/07: Above agreed retranscription [minor changes onl
3 CONC y] followed email exchanges with Graham 13/14 Feb and (esp.
3 CONC ) 5/8 March 2007. James (5/3) queried "why the on-line 190
3 CONC 1 census should give the "Civil Parish" as How Caple Entire
3 CONC , whereas Ancestry gives it as Brockhampton."  He'd "checke
3 CONC d on Genuki, and both Brockhampton and How Caple are record
3 CONC ed as "Township or Civil Parish" in the Ross Registration D
3 CONC istrict of Herefordshire."  GL and RL explored census image
3 CONC s, maps, and local 'administrative arrangements", then sett
3 CONC led on the above rendering of the address for the entry.
2 SOUR @S21@
3 PAGE referenced by Graham Lovelock, email message 26-Jan-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL/GL agreed minor revisions to previous transcription foll
4 CONC owing email exchanges Feb 13/14 and 5/8 March 2007 (see not
4 CONC e).
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
4 CONT See email exchanges 13/14 Feb and (esp.) 5/8 March 2007.
1 CHIL @I29@
1 CHIL @I30@
1 CHIL @I31@
1 CHIL @I32@
1 CHIL @I33@
1 CHIL @I38@
1 CHIL @I39@
1 CHIL @I40@
1 CHIL @I41@
1 CHIL @I42@
1 CHIL @I43@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF9@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT FreeBMD has no marriage for George J Lovelock and Louise (o
1 CONC r Louisa).
1 CONT 
1 CONT RL 9/3/07:
1 CONT 
1 CONT Have so far found no Crawley marriage record for Georg
1 CONC e J L and Louise/a?? at HRO. However, there are <i>no</i> C
1 CONC rawley Marriage Records there as yet later than 1836 - prob
1 CONC ably still held by the Church (?).
1 CONT 
1 CONT The following three notes [Graham's?] appeared in the previ
1 CONC ous HTML version - [minor additions by RL 3/07 are in squar
1 CONC e brackets]:
1 CONT (i) A George James Lovelock married either Annie Curtis o
1 CONC r Edethea Robinson in the Lincoln RD in 2Q 1886, ref 7a 971
1 CONC , but there are no clues as to what happened to him then.
1 CONT (ii) A George James Lovelock also married in the Caistor R
1 CONC D [Lincolnshire] in 2Q 1902 [ref 7a 1471 - Annie Elizabet
1 CONC h Starkey or Lilian Wilkinson; the other male on the page i
1 CONC s John James A Bamford], and this (of course it may be coin
1 CONC cidentally) was followed by the births in the Caistor RD o
1 CONC f Frances Mary and George Edward in 3Q 1903, ref 7a 644, an
1 CONC d of Ruth in 1Q 1907, ref 7a 640. George Edward died in 3
1 CONC Q 1906, still in the Caistor RD, ref 7a 398.
1 CONT (iii) The only other entries from the general area are th
1 CONC e birth and death [age 0] of Editha H Lovelock in 3Q 1910
1 CONC , refs 7a 489 and 7a 252, in the Lincoln RD.
1 CONT 
1 CONT I [RL] noted at some stage [see my email 2/7/06] the lack o
1 CONC f a Louise or Louisa in any of the FreeBMD George L marriag
1 CONC e records 1882/86, including that of a George James L marri
1 CONC ed in Lincoln RD 2Q 1886 [see above]; searched again toda
1 CONC y (9/3/07) 1881/1892 with the same result.
1 CONT 
1 CONT However, searching (2/7/06) for a birth of a Louise ..???.
1 CONC . in Winchester RD 1859/62 threw up one 'possibility' in Lo
1 CONC uise Pauline Heller born 3Q 1860, 2c 81.
1 CONT [17/6/07: See also note to Louise/a's birth].
1 CONT [22/8/07: Search repeated for 1857/66 {age variation 1891/1
1 CONC 901 census entries} with same result; FreeBMD coverage is n
1 CONC ow virtually 100% for these years (except 1857).]
1 CONT 
1 CONT {Must peruse Crawley PRs some time. However (<u>NB</u>) som
1 CONC e relevant ones not at HRO (e.g. no marriages post 1836
1 CONC ) - contact the vicar?!  This ref. Graham 27/6/06: "We kno
1 CONC w [RL: presumably from 1891 and/or 1901 census entries the
1 CONC n GRO data] that George J (a grandson of Thomas and Olive
1 CONC ) and Louise (or Louisa)'s son William was born in 2Q 188
1 CONC 7 in Crawley ... ... There is no Free BMD record of their m
1 CONC arriage, but since she was born in the village herself I wo
1 CONC uld hope the records might contain something to help us."}
0 @F10@ FAM
1 HUSB @I33@
1 WIFE @I34@
1 MARR 
2 DATE Abt Sep 1913
2 PLAC Leominster RD, Herefordshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Marriage in 3Q 1913 in Leominster RD, ref 6a 1234
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 8/3/07: GRO details were supplied to James by Graham o
4 CONC n 31/7/06 and appeared in the updated HTML version of the t
4 CONC ree uploaded on 5/9/06. (Year of marriage was already enter
4 CONC ed.)
2 SOUR @S3@
1 CHIL @I35@
1 CHIL @I36@
1 CHIL @I37@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F11@ FAM
1 HUSB @I50@
1 WIFE @I51@
1 MARR 
2 DATE 30 Nov 1807
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S11@
3 PAGE Marriages, provided by Robin Lovelock, from the Hampshire Records Office
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1807 Nov 30 Thomas Lovelock of this parish and Olive Matto
5 CONC n of the same were married in this Church by Banns this 30t
5 CONC h Day of November in the year One Thousand Eight Hundred an
5 CONC d Seven By me Thos Watkins, Curate. Signed Thos Lovelock, O
5 CONC live Matton made her mark. In the Prefence of John Flight.
5 CONT The above marriage is also listed in Phillimore's Marriag
5 CONC e Index for Winchester St Thomas, viewed at HRO.
5 CONT From Robert Sterry:
5 CONT Pallot's Marriage Index has the following item for Winchest
5 CONC er St Thomas:
5 CONT 1801 Nov 30 Thomas Lovelock & Olive Matton (Boyd's has sam
5 CONC e detail but for 1807)
2 SOUR @S3@
1 CHIL @I52@
1 CHIL @I58@
1 CHIL @I23@
1 CHIL @I59@
1 CHIL @I60@
1 CHIL @I61@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F12@ FAM
1 HUSB @I52@
1 WIFE @I53@
1 MARR 
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 13-Feb-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE Further extended discussion and searching for additional da
4 CONC ta on George and Martha's four known children (GRO birth en
4 CONC tries, possible marriages and children, etc.) 26-Jun-07 - 1
4 CONC 6-Jul-07. See general note and note to birth for each of th
4 CONC e children, especially Sarah and Henry.
2 NOTE @NF12@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT Barracks (2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards)
3 CONT HO107 1674  F100  P19
3 CONT 
3 CONT Includes:
3 CONT George Lovelock;Private Soldier, Head of Family;M;41;Labore
3 CONC r [sic];Hampshire [sic]
3 CONT Martha Lovelock;Wife;M;30;;Hampshire, Eadelesly [sic] {**}
3 CONT Sarah Lovelock;Daughter;;6;;Middlesex, Kensington
3 CONT Henry Lovelock;Son;;3;;Middlesex, Westminster
3 CONT Thomas Lovelock;Son;;2m[?];Middlesex, Westminster
3 CONT 
3 CONT {**} Presumably Eastleigh was stated
2 SOUR @S14@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 25/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
1 CHIL @I54@
1 CHIL @I55@
1 CHIL @I56@
1 CHIL @I57@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF12@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT From RL email 2/7/06: A St Geo. Hanover Sq marriage 2Q 184
1 CONC 3 could possibly be that of this George L, except no Marth
1 CONC a appears (see General Note). However, there is a Mary, a M
1 CONC ary Sophia and a Matilda; also all other George L marriage
1 CONC s on FreeBMD 1837/50 (several of them known to us) similarl
1 CONC y lack a record of a Martha. There is also another St Ge
1 CONC o H Sq marriage with a George L, 1Q 1846, 1 50; again no Ma
1 CONC rtha, but a Charlotte Maria, a Charlotte Mary and a Mary Ja
1 CONC ne!
0 @F13@ FAM
1 WIFE @I61@
1 MARR 
2 SOUR @S3@
2 NOTE @NF13@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC St Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Thomas
3 CONT 28 St Georges Street
3 CONT HO107 1674  F33  P27
3 CONT 
3 CONT Walter household
3 CONT ……………
3 CONT 
3 CONT Hannah Wake;Head;W;69;Pauper formerly Laundress;Hampshire
3 CONC , Kingsclere
3 CONT <u>Mary Lovelock</u>;Servant;U;30;Washerwoman & Servant;Ham
3 CONC pshire, Winchester
3 CONT Maria Raymond;Visitor;;10;Scholar;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT Emma Beale;Visitor;;4;Scholar;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT <u>Walter Lovelock</u>;Son;;2;;Hampshire, Winchester
3 CONT 
3 CONT Head household
3 CONT ……………
3 CONT 
3 CONT James Southwell;Head;M;28;Labourer (Bricklayer);Hampshire
3 CONC , Wyke<b> </b>[sic]
3 CONT Caroline Southwell;Wife;M;29;Laundress;Somersetshire, Frome
3 CONT <u>Thomas Lovelock</u>;Visitor;U;35;Labourer (Bricklayer);H
3 CONC ampshire, Winchester
3 CONT <i>
3 CONT There appear to have been 4 separate households living at 2
3 CONC 8 St Georges Street, two of which included Lovelocks.
3 CONT </i>
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S14@
1 CHIL @I62@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF13@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 8/3/07: A possibility; see General Note.
0 @F14@ FAM
1 HUSB @I62@
1 WIFE @I63@
1 MARR 
2 DATE Abt Mar 1874
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Marriage in 1Q 1874 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 147
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC St Maurice, Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St Maurice
3 CONT Middle Brooks
3 CONT RG11 1232  F120  P16
3 CONT 
3 CONT Emma Brown;Head;W;78;Annuitant;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Frederick Bell;Lodger;W;57;Builder;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Lodger (Head);M;32;Supernumery [sic] Postma
3 CONC n;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Mary Lovelock;Wife;M;29;Dressmaker;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Ernest Edwd Walter Lovelock;Son;;6;Scholar;Hants, Winchester
2 SOUR @S19@
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S10@
3 PAGE email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CHIL @I64@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F15@ FAM
1 HUSB @I64@
1 WIFE @I65@
1 MARR 
2 DATE Abt Sep 1898
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Marriage in 3Q 1898 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 249
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1901
2 PLAC Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Winchester, St John
3 CONT <b>
3 CONT </b>41 St Johns Road
3 CONT RG13 1081  F35  P27
3 CONT 
3 CONT Ernest E W Lovelock;Head;M;25;Town Postman;Hants, Winchester
3 CONT Elizabeth J Lovelock;Wife;M;23;;Hants, Southampton
3 CONT John C H Lovelock;Son;;9m;;Hants, Winchester
2 SOUR @S21@
3 PAGE referenced by Graham Lovelock, email message 26-Jan-06
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CHIL @I66@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F16@ FAM
1 HUSB @I67@
1 WIFE @I26@
1 MARR 
2 DATE Abt Mar 1876
2 PLAC Winchester RD, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Marriage in Winchester RD in 1Q 1876, ref 2c 135
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT Butler William 
5 CONT Lovelock Sarah Susan I
2 SOUR @S12@
3 PAGE Marriage in Winchester RD in 1Q 1876, ref 2c 135
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL: Found Sarah L, with a fuzzy second name (which could we
4 CONC ll be 'Susan') and what looks like an additional initial, p
4 CONC robably 'I' [for ice cream] Winchester 1Q 1876 2c 135. Trie
4 CONC d FreeBMD for Sarah Lovelock for that quarter:
4 CONT Butler, William:  Winchester  2c 135
4 CONT Lovelock, Sarah Susan I:  Winchester  2c 135  ['I' as in "
4 CONC I am Sarah Susan Lovelock"]
4 CONT The equivalent entry for William B was then found on BMDInd
4 CONC ex (different page of course).
3 DATA
4 TEXT Butler, William   Winchester  2c 135 
5 CONT Lovelock, Sarah Susan I   Winchester  2c 135
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Micheldever, Hampshire
3 CONT Annel Lane
3 CONT RG11 1229  F43  P29
3 CONT 
3 CONT William Butler;Head;M;45;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Susan Butler;Wife;M;40;;Hants, N Waltham
3 CONT George Lovelock;Son;U;15;Farm Labr;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Son;;13;Farm Labr;Hants, Stockbridge
3 CONT William Lovelock;Son;;10;Scholar;Hants, Barton Stacey
3 CONT Kate Lovelock;Daur;;7;Scholar;Hants, Romsey
3 CONT Rose Butler;Daur;;3;Scholar;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Elizabeth Butler;Daur;6m;;Hants, Micheldever
2 SOUR @S19@
3 PAGE provided by Robin Lovelock, email message 14-Jul-06
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I'm not sure whether we've viewed an image of t
4 CONC his entry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
2 SOUR @S3@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small addit
4 CONC ions/differences.
1 CHIL @I72@
1 CHIL @I73@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F17@ FAM
1 HUSB @I68@
1 WIFE @I69@
1 MARR 
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1841
2 PLAC North Waltham, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT North Waltham, Hampshire
3 CONT HO107 386/25  F5  P5
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Phillis;25;Shoe Maker;Hampshire
3 CONT Clara Phillis;27;;Hampshire
3 CONT [un-named female] Phillis;1;;Hampshire
3 CONT Amelia Phillis;18;Family Servant;Hampshire
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S15@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Micheldever, Hampshire
3 CONT RG9 689  F39/40  P18/19
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Phillis;Head;M;46;Boot & Shoe Maker;Hants, North Wal
3 CONC tham
3 CONT Eliza Phillis;Wife;M;48;;Hants, Otterbourne
3 CONT George Phillis;Son;U;14;Shoe Maker;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Gertrude A Phillis;Daur;U;12;;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Emma Phillis;Daur;;9;;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT 
3 CONT Susan has not been located in 1861 (nor any of the family i
3 CONC n 1851)!
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 25-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S17@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1881
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Micheldever, Hampshire
3 CONT Annel Lane
3 CONT RG11 1229  F42  P28
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Phillis;Head;M;66;Boot Maker;Hants, N Waltham
3 CONT Eliza Phillis;Wife;M;68;;Hants, Overton [sic - LDS]
3 CONT Wm. George Phillis;Son;U;33;Boot Maker;Hants, Micheldever
2 SOUR @S19@
3 NOTE RL 27/6/07: I don't think we've viewed an image of this ent
4 CONC ry, so citation quality not claimed as 'Primary'.
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1891
2 PLAC Micheldever, Hampshire, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Micheldever, Hampshire
3 CONT Winchester Road
3 CONT RG12 934  F38  P24
3 CONT 
3 CONT George Phillis;Head;M;76;Shoe Maker;Hants, North Waltham
3 CONT Eliza Phillis;Wife;M;77;;Hants, Romsey [sic]
3 CONT William G Phillis;Son;S [sic];4? [unclear];Shoe Maker;Hants
3 CONC , Micheldever
3 CONT Emma Phillis;Daur;S [sic];39;;Hants, Micheldever
2 SOUR @S20@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
1 CHIL @I26@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F18@ FAM
1 HUSB @I44@
1 WIFE @I70@
1 MARR 
2 DATE Abt Mar 1889
2 PLAC Paddington RD, London, England
2 SOUR @S4@
3 NOTE GL/RL email exchange 1/4 Feb 2007.
2 SOUR @S13@
3 NOTE See especially 1/4 Feb 2007 exchange.
2 SOUR @S5@
3 PAGE Marriage in Paddington RD in 1Q 1889, ref 1a 48
3 QUAY 3
3 DATA
4 TEXT Lovelock, Walter Thomas 
5 CONT Konradt, Katherina
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1891
2 PLAC Chislehurst, Kent, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Chislehurst, Kent
3 CONT 23 Balmoral Grove
3 CONT RG12 632  F129  P15
3 CONT 
3 CONT John Slade;Head;W;37;Police Constable;Berks, Brightwaltham
3 CONT Amy Slade;Sister;S [sic];38;Housekeeper;Berks, Brightwaltham
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Head;M;24;Gardener;Hants, Micheldever
3 CONT Kathleen Lovelock;Wife;25;;Germany, Kreusnach
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
2 SOUR @S20@
1 CENS 
2 DATE 1901
2 PLAC Woolwich, London, England
2 NOTE  
3 CONT Woolwich
3 CONT 21 Lower Pellipar Road
3 CONT RG13 567  F124  P42
3 CONT 
3 CONT Walter Lovelock;Head;M;35;Arsenal Labourer;Hants, Mitchelde
3 CONC ver
3 CONT Kathe Lovelock;Wife;M;36;;Germany
3 CONT Elizabeth Lovelock;Daur;;8;;Kent, Chislehurst
2 SOUR @S21@
2 SOUR @S13@
3 PAGE agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
3 QUAY 3
1 CHIL @I71@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @F19@ FAM
1 HUSB @I74@
1 WIFE @I75@
1 MARR 
2 DATE 21 Nov 1771
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1771 Nov 21 Thomas Lovelock, bachelor from Twyford and Lydi
5 CONC a Carter, spinster, from Twyford Wit: Sarah Ivemy, Jas Young
2 NOTE @NF19@
1 CHIL @I76@
1 CHIL @I77@
1 CHIL @I78@
1 CHIL @I50@
1 CHIL @I79@
1 CHIL @I80@
1 CHIL @I81@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF19@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 13/7/07: The repeated baptismal names in the PR extract
1 CONC s for children of Thomas and Lydia suggest a sad sequence o
1 CONC f losses; burial dates have been allocated to Thomas bap 17
1 CONC 72, John bap 1774, and Lydia bap 1775 on this assumption (s
1 CONC ee notes to burials concerned for further comments). The fa
1 CONC ct that all three children were buried within a week of eac
1 CONC h other possibly indicates they each contacted a similar in
1 CONC fection.
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1 HUSB @I82@
1 WIFE @I80@
1 MARR 
2 DATE 23 May 1811
2 PLAC Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, England
2 SOUR @S16@
3 NOTE RL 13/7/07: See general note to Lydia's sister Mary b 178
4 CONC 1 for speculation concerning whether she or another Mar
4 CONC y L was the Witness named in the marriage entry - and the p
4 CONC ossible relevance of this.
3 DATA
4 TEXT 1811 May 23 Lydia Lovelock from Twyford and Aaron Atwoods f
5 CONC rom Twyford. Wit: Thos Lovelock, Mary Lovelock
2 NOTE @NF20@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Aug 2007
3 TIME 17:13
0 @NF20@ NOTE
1 CONC  
1 CONT RL 13/7/07: See general note to Lydia's sister Mary b 178
1 CONC 1 for speculation concerning whether she or another Mar
1 CONC y L was the Witness named in the marriage entry - and the p
1 CONC ossible relevance of this in terms of link(s) between the H
1 CONC ants-to-Hereford and Compton trees.
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1 ABBR 1841 British Census
1 TITL 1841 British Census
0 @S14@ SOUR
1 ABBR 1851 British Census
1 TITL 1851 British Census
0 @S17@ SOUR
1 ABBR 1861 British Census
1 TITL 1861 British Census
0 @S18@ SOUR
1 ABBR 1871 British Census
1 TITL 1871 British Census
0 @S19@ SOUR
1 ABBR 1881 British Census
1 TITL 1881 British Census
0 @S20@ SOUR
1 ABBR 1891 British Census
1 TITL 1891 British Census
0 @S21@ SOUR
1 ABBR 1901 British Census
1 TITL 1901 British Census
0 @S12@ SOUR
1 ABBR BMDIndex (via www.thegenealogist.co.uk)
1 TITL BMDIndex (via www.thegenealogist.co.uk)
1 NOTE An item of data for which this source is cited will usuall
2 CONC y have been supplied by Robin Lovelock.
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1 ABBR Fragment 6 - Collected Lovelock Fragments
1 TITL Fragment 6 - Collected Lovelock Fragments 
2 CONT (Compiled by Robert Sterry with material from Gwen Eastment
2 CONC , Graham Lovelock and others.
2 CONT Based on the version received from Robert 21-Jan-1998.
2 CONT Includes some additions and corrections from John Dixon.)
0 @S3@ SOUR
1 ABBR GEDCOM file uploaded to Lovelock website on 5 Mar 2007
1 TITL GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; c
2 CONC reated by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] dat
2 CONC abase.
2 CONT Some minor editing (as text file) by Robin Lovelock prior t
2 CONC o being imported (becoming an RL [RootsMagic] database) o
2 CONC n 7 March 2007.
2 CONT Revisions and additions by RL in period to July 2007, mainl
2 CONC y reflecting email discussions between Robin & Graham Lovel
2 CONC ock July 2006/March 2007, with some input from James Lovelu
2 CONC ck
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1 ABBR Graham Lovelock
1 TITL Graham Lovelock
0 @S5@ SOUR
1 ABBR GRO - FreeBMD
1 TITL GRO - FreeBMD
0 @S6@ SOUR
1 ABBR IGI - LDS
1 TITL IGI - LDS
0 @S7@ SOUR
1 ABBR Lovelock BMDs for New Zealand
1 TITL Lovelock BMDs for New Zealand 
2 CONT (Provided by Mary Pipe; on Lovelock Web site at:
2 CONT http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelo
2 CONC ck/documents/nz-bmds-1840-1990.html)
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1 ABBR Micheldever, Hampshire, Parish Register
1 TITL Micheldever, Hampshire, Parish Register
0 @S9@ SOUR
1 ABBR Nigel Gerdes
1 TITL Nigel Gerdes
0 @S22@ SOUR
1 ABBR Originating email discussion
1 TITL Originating email discussion 
2 CONT (Following a message from Nigel Gerdes to the Lovelock mail
2 CONC ing list on 4-Sep-2005, initial versions of the Hants-to-He
2 CONC reford tree were developed in an email discussion between G
2 CONC raham Lovelock and Nigel Gerdes in Sep/Oct 2005.
2 CONT During 2006 there were some additions and modifications b
2 CONC y Graham and Nigel and also contributions from Robin Lovelo
2 CONC ck.)
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1 ABBR Robin Lovelock
1 TITL Robin Lovelock (email exchanges)
0 @S13@ SOUR
1 ABBR Robin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
1 TITL Robin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 20
2 CONC 06/July 2007
0 @S2@ SOUR
1 ABBR Robin Lovelock, updated gedcom 24-Aug-07
1 TITL Robin Lovelock, updated gedcom 24-Aug-07
1 PUBL Updated gedcom file provided by Robin Lovelock 24 Aug 2007
2 CONC . Includes contributions from Graham Lovelock
0 @S11@ SOUR
1 ABBR St Thomas, Winchester, Parish Register
1 TITL St Thomas, Winchester, Parish Register
0 @S16@ SOUR
1 ABBR Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, Parish Register
1 TITL Twyford, nr Winchester, Hampshire, Parish Register (Moder
2 CONC n transcript)
0 TRLR